[kadkadels]

Rule number 1: don't argue with conspiracy theorists, they will come up with all sorts of nonsense.

>„Fact checkers“ have been shown again and again to be politically biased up to active manipulation. Only people who always agree with the politics they want to push have not noticed at this point.

Have they? Show me some of those manipulated fact checkers, please. With reputable sources, I'm not inclined to read bullshit.

>By now there is a hell lot of data pointing at issues with the novel pharmaceutical product.

Not really, no. Or show us some data.

>Meanwhile this new Dutch data looks quite interesting, maybe someone here would like to give it a shot:

conveniently only available in dutch, but online translators to the rescue:

>https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/longread/rapportages/2022/sterfte-e...

where the first paragraph in 6.4 translates as follows:

>The analyses show a lower or comparable likelihood of dying from causes other than COVID-19 in the first weeks after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, compared to the vaccination status before receiving the respective dose. This holds true for all age groups and also for long-term care users. Based on these results, there is no population-level evidence that COVID-19 vaccination increases the risk of death due to an adverse reaction.

Oops. Well, you tried.

[armchairdweller]

You seem to be really emotional about this. Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults, trampling onto what an obviously fascist authority teached them at the end of 2021 is „below them“ to elevate oneself. Ignorance of obvious data, sidelining.

By now I have seen enough actual data - and on top of that a lot of sad „anecdata“ in my direct surroundings - to pay attention at least. Given its prevalence I am sure you have seen the anecdata as well. Have you called someone who claimed to have a vax damage or who told you a relative died from the vax a „conspiracy theorist“ yet?

One good alternative point to start your journey in 2024 could be the US civilian labor force disability data. And no, I won’t waste time to search for that for you, given that you began your „response“ by attaching a label because it soothes you mentally. It has all been out there for long time and has been linked countless times.

The little section you got from google translating is a government-approved interpretation of this data. I have seen several others. You can download the data and fact-check for yourself.

[lazyasciiart]

> Have you called someone who claimed to have a vax damage or who told you a relative died from the vax a „conspiracy theorist“ yet?

Not to her face, no. Not in those words, at least. But that’s because it would upset my mother to have to deal with her idiot conspiracy theorist sister complaining about me being rude, so I am scrupulously polite while dismissing all her crap and she is increasingly sensible about not mentioning it around me. Just as well I started this effort before covid happened or it might not have been enough.

[kadkadels]

>You seem to be really emotional about this.

I'm not, don't worry :)

>Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults

The only one who is hurling insults and seems quite angry is you.

>fascist authority

ah yes, just call regulatory agencies "fascist", that makes total sense.

>attaching a label because it soothes you mentally

once again an insult instead of data

>The little section you got from google translating is a government-approved interpretation of this data

No it's not. It's what scientists say. Are they fascists too now?

[armchairdweller]

> ah yes, just call regulatory agencies "fascist", that makes total sense

People were fired for not taking a novel pharmaceutical product, warp-speeded by Donald Trump and sold as a cure-all. They lost their livelihood over exercising a fundamental human right.

In places like Canada they could not use public transport or leave the country. In some countries they could not enter supermarkets. Austria decided to fine them steeply and monthly. In the US 60% of one political side agreed with throwing them into camps and discussed it openly.

Across all media and in society they were labeled and treated as pariahs.

Meanwhile they observed obvious carnage in their friends and family and could only watch.

What did you do at the end of 2021 while all of this happened?