[RetroTechie]

> I also think we should progress past 8GB baselines

Perhaps the contrary: 8GB is already a humongous RAM size. Especially if backed up by a fast SSD.

That really should be enough for everyday jobs like the examples mentioned (waaay more than enough, imho).

As for pro-level / servers / serious gamers / engineering jobs etc: sure, go ahead and deck it out to whatever budget & product offerings allow.

Just remember this is a decidedly different market segment than average consumer.

[qwytw]

There is still no reason not to have >= 16 GB besides Apple wanting to upcharge its customers since they have no choice. Also no, it's hardly enough unless you're using you Mac the same way you'd use an iPad..

[s1gsegv]

> Especially if backed up by a fast SSD

Ooh, relying on swap to your limited write cycle irreplaceable mass storage seems like a bridge too far to me. I know they do it, but I worry it will shorten the device lifespan if it’s relied on too much.

I am not a fan of the idea that we’d engineer a device to consume a limited resource like that in normal operation.