[worstspotgain]

The rate schedules are complex. I'm paying ~$0.43/kWh, itemized as $0.13/kWh generation (Clean Power SF) and $0.30/kWh distribution (PG&E).

If you use very little on the residential schedule I think it can drop pretty low, probably around $0.15/kWh.

[pbnjay]

My power is resold by the city so they don’t break it out, but a nearby county is 4.55c per kWh distribution charge and 5.96c per kWh generation charge.

[danans]

> If you use very little on the residential schedule I think it can drop pretty low, probably around $0.15/kWh.

The lowest price on the PG&E tiered rate plan E1 (implied by the words "If you use very little ...") is $0.42/kWh. Even the most variable rate EV2A plan has an off-peak price of $0.35/kWh. I don't see any way to get a price of $0.15 kWh.

[worstspotgain]

I stand corrected, it's been a while since I last looked at rates. I think the ~$0.15/kWh I remembered was from SVP in Santa Clara, not PG&E. https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees

[worstspotgain]

BTW, the actual lowest rates for SF are closer to ~$0.26/kWh, and may be lower during the winter months at the lowest usage tier ("below baseline.")

https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/alternate-energy...

I can't work it out exactly without doing more research than is worth. As I said, the schedules are complex, maybe someone more versed in this can chime in.

Hopefully SF will finally manage to force PG&E to sell it the city's grid. I doubt it will lead to rates as low as Santa Clara's, though.

https://sfpuc.org/about-us/news/its-high-time-san-francisco-...

[danans]

> I can't work it out exactly without doing more research than is worth. As I said, the schedules are complex, maybe someone more versed in this can chime in.

The $0.26/kWh is for the CARE program, which heavily discounts energy (30-35%) for low income people and families. It's not a rate available to most people.

Whereas the rates paid by those who have a municipally-owned utility (MOU) in CA (i.e. LADWP, SMUD, SVP) are actually 60% lower than those paid to investor-owned utilities (IOU) [1].

The municipal utility rates are lower because:

a) being owned by their municipalities, their primary incentive structure is to lower costs of reliable electricity for ratepayers, not to return a profit to shareholders.

b) IOUs generate profits for shareholders, and this profit is only generated - per regulation - as a percentage of capital expenditures.

c) PG&E and other IOUs must reduce the wildfire risk of their huge transmission and distribution networks, which operate in much more wildfire-prone parts of California than the municipal utilities (which are mostly urban). To achieve this, they tend to choose very expensive solutions (i.e. under-grounding transmission lines) since (b).

This results in all ratepayers in IOU territories paying much higher electricity rates, regardless of whether they are in a high fire-risk zone. If electricity rates were set based on highly localized wildfire risk, the rates would be even more divergent, sometimes in areas just a few miles apart (due to California's micro-climates). There would probably be tremendous outcry and anger, as nobody wants to pay for the risks associated with where they have chosen (or can afford to) live.

1. https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees

[worstspotgain]

I agree with everything you posted. In SF's case, the city is hoping to turn CPSF into a full MOU.

For the time being, the lowest per-kWh rate in SF is based upon the CPSF discount, time-of-usage discount, below-baseline discount, winter discount, income discount, EV adjustment, and exact schedule chosen, plus the overhead effect of fixed fees and minus the special twice-yearly climate credits. Did I miss anything? :)

I have no idea what it is, but it's somewhere between my initial figure ($0.15) and yours ($0.35.)