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by ThinkBeat 800 days ago
I have discovered over time that I hate screws. No not really the concept, but there are far too fucking models.

I started collecting screws to put together for my "workshop" were I repair whatever family, friends, enemies want me to look at. I am not great at it, not even good, but I am who they bring things to, and over time I have learned a bit of skills. (Also I fail, sometimes I break stuff and sometimes I hide in my bag and take to a pro without telling anyone.)

Back to screws. I often need one. but there are entirely too many different sizes and shapes. I have spent decent time sourcing various standardized sizes from far and near. Stil I have project where I need two screws and I dont have the right one. I also keep any screw that I come across. If something is broken I harvest the once that are easikly available.

That ends up in a cubbord with lots of different tiny shelves. BUT looking through them so see if one of them is right is again time consuming.

What does this have to do with anything?

Well the design went from 1 type of screws to multiple sizes. (All of well knownm standarized types thank you)

I think it wise to design projects around as few different ones as possible. The previous model managed with one. Clearly somehow V2 could have as well.

Is there I pray an app I have not seen, where I can take a photo of a screw and the app will tell me the exact specifications of it, its name, and where to order them?

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There’s an ancient craftsman trick. A pointy woodscrew can fit any type of hole, whether it fits or not :)
He says, as design engineers across the world feel a shiver run down their collective spine.
That is a good one. I can cut the top off with my angle grinder
AKA “self-tapping” :)
Screws have different thread and pitch sizes. An app won't read that correctly. You can get a tool to measure the size/thread/pitch. I have containers with lots of slots and I label each slot, so I have many dozens of types of metric/imperial screws sorted.

It's actually hundreds of screws, bolts, and nuts, I did the sorting as a relaxing week while watching some shows :D

I will have to check that out, thank you
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=metric+socket+hea...

Someone mentioned M* screws and that got me searching to find out what it is and then ended up on the above amazon page. So I like the indexing scheme there and question OP that it can't be done by image and machine learning. Basically, all those indexes [minus material which you can just select] should be trivially recognizable and that just leaves the precision measures.

What is this tool called?
Thread checker.
An app would have trouble with that since it doesn't have an absolute size reference. By the time you put the screw atop a calibrated reference background tool, you'd be faster to just read the markings on the tool yourself. (If someone wanted to make an app that uses an object of precisely known size, say, a credit card, as a reference, and then calculate from there, yes I'd be all ears! But I've never heard of such a thing.)

BoltDepot has some fantastic pages (and printable reference posters) that explain how fasteners are measured and described: https://boltdepot.com/Fastener-Information/Fastener-Basics

Once you've got the terminology, it's pretty straightforward to take the measurements. Thread diameter is easy to do with a $2 plastic vernier caliper (I use mine constantly), or fit into the holes in any screw checker. https://www.amazon.com/Stainlesstown-Bolt-Thread-Gauge-Blue/...

Thread pitch is best done with a thread gauge, which is a fold-out affair sort of like a feeler gauge. I've got an inch/metric combo one like this: https://www.amazon.com/ChgImposs-Imperial-Whitworth-Industri...

And then length is easy to do with the ruler on the side of the screw checker, or the calipers themselves. (Use the jaws for the overall length of a flush-type screw, the step-shoulder part for the length of a cap screw.)

There are also combo gauges, I'm intrigued by this type and I should pick one up to see how I like it: https://www.amazon.com/WEN-ME210G-Imperial-Multi-Gauge-Carry...

Newer iPhones are lidar enabled and do a fairly good job at measurement see: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-01763-9

i don’t know if it is good enough for this use case but theoretically possible without a reference object.

I feel this. As an amateur 3d printed project enjoyer in Canada, getting ahold of M* screws is a real pain, even though I prefer their specifications greatly over the weird imperial sizes.
I get my metric fasteners from BelMetric [0].

Huge selection including obscure styles and finishes. Nuts, bolts, screws, hardware, etc.

One of the best things about them is that they sell small lots including single screws if that is all you need.

Another great thing is that they ship quickly and if your order is relatively small it arrives in your mailbox instead of needing to be delivered by UPS or another shipper. They ship orders in packages appropriate to the order, unlike Amazon.

They also add products to their inventory if customers need something they don't normally carry.

Prices are also reasonable.

I found them years ago and now they are one of my main suppliers. McMaster Carr is another.

[0] https://belmetric.com/

Useful suggestions, thanks. I'll dig in further next time I'm building something.

They do seem to suffer from the other part that prevented me from ordering from places like this before though; its hard for a hobby project to break the high free shipping minimum order size. This may again be a problem with being in Canada not the US though :)

From reading thru their international shipping FAQ it appears that they do not offer free shipping on any international orders and all customs, importation, etc fees fall to the buyer.

With that in mind it probably works best for your case to stock your bins in a single order of the common sizes of screws, nuts, and specialty fasteners that you regularly need so that you can limit the fees you have to pay instead of making a new order every time you spin up a new project.

They regularly send email alerts to special pricing events. I don't know how that plays out for someone in Canada though. The shipping costs on my end are fairly low since I tend to order a few things at a time and the contents of one order easily fit into a standard USPS mailer or a small padded envelope.

Another thing that may work for you is Fastenal [0] since they operate in Canada and offer metric fasteners.

[0] https://www.fastenal.ca/product/Fasteners/Bolts?fsi=1&catego...

McMaster Carr is a good place to order from but you do need to know what you need by size, thread, etc