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Haunting photos of the bison extermination in 19th century America (rarehistoricalphotos.com)
72 points by bookstore-romeo 804 days ago
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Hard to read this article and feel proud to be a human.

A world without wilderness and wild animal will be an impoverished one indeed.

"The total weight of Earth’s wild land mammals – from elephants to bisons and from deer to tigers – is now less than 10% of the combined tonnage of men, women and children living on the planet." https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/18/a-wake-u...

However the bison numbers have recovered somewhat. Great whale populations are increasing. Maybe there is some hope for us yet.

You have to feel somewhat proud to have achieved such extreme evolutionary success. Only recently have we expanded to other meta goals like conservation.

By the measure that we apply to nearly every other species on earth, humans win.

A world with just humans, their pets, their cattle and a few hardy 'pests' won't feel much like a victory.
We have also the metaverse. Just like for us the vegetables came from supermarkets (and not from peasants), the reality will come from the metaverse.
> By the measure that we apply to nearly every other species on earth, humans win.

I don't understand - what measure?

Evolution is about competition. So I guess if your species destroys every other species then you have 'won' in some sense. But only in the same sense that you have 'won' a nuclear war if your counties is the only one in the world with any survivors.
Kickin' the most ass
Sorry, but that’s nonsense. There were millions of humans living side by side with these bison before both were genocided.

Equating “civilization” with “humanity” or “human nature” is a false equivalence.

Depends if you wanna figure out the mysteries of the universe or live in subsistence, either are fine by me
> By the measure that we apply to nearly every other species on earth, humans win.

The rats in New York would like to have a word with you. /s

For how much I obviously hated them, sometimes I feel proud for human pests. Be it locusts, rats, mosquitoes, cockroaches, ants, etc. They declare war on the mightiest species on the planet and are still winning! I remember seeing that humans are only the 2nd most prolific human killers (1st is mosquitoes) and was surprised! Compared to other animals on earth, they are certainly the champions of evolution.
True, but to be fair if it were mosquitos alone, they would be little more than an annoyance. They're only deadly because they've teamed up with a host of other microorganisms like the Dengue, Zika, and Chikungunya viruses.
There was a documentary about mosquitos where a guy from the Australian Army said, that sleeping a night, with a lot of mosquitos -without protection- , could be your last night.
> I remember seeing that humans are only the 2nd most prolific human killers

We are working very hard on this issue. /s

American governments -Federal and State- in the 19th century developed eugenics laws and genocidal policies against natives, to say nothing of horrible policies against blacks. Some of those served as inspiration to the Nazis. Horrible.
> "By the 1880s, their numbers had plummeted from around 30 million to a mere 325"

I thought that must've been a typo upon first reading. Even 325,000 would be shocking. Amazing that the conservation efforts seem to have worked well.

It hasn't worked perfectly though, as the vaste majority of American bisons (all but 4 herds in fact) aren't true bisons but have cattle genes due to hybridation.
Now the USA has 87 million cattle.

Private cattle ranches could never have competed with 30 million bison owned by nature, free for anyone to take.

Many ranches raise bison. And even deer.

Just because the population was wild then wouldn't have precluded ranching bison, or even cows.

How to you make a fenced off ranch when 30 million buffalo decide to stampede through?
You wrote it by yourself: you fence it off!
The latest Ken Burns documenatary, "The American Buffalo" tells the story of the near-total extermination of the Bison, and by extension, the Native American Indian way of life, and includes many of these photos. I felt like it was a better presentation of the reality of the West in 3 hours than the 8-episode "The West" from the 1990s, which only spent a scant few minutes on the Bison. Highly recommended.
Didn’t realize it just came out. Shameless plug... Been loving the PBS subscription lately. Only streaming service I use anymore.

It’s like the anti-Netflix. Nova, Secrets of the Dead, Ken Burns… vs Love Island and Is It Cake?

Interesting in the article they discuss how the introduction of the horse created a broader dependency on bison and more vulnerable by its availability. Ultimately though, smallpox is what did the most damage across N. America. Haida Gwaii for example went from something like 40,000 people to 400.
There's a book based on the documentary: "Blood Memory" by Dayton Duncan and Ken Burns. Beautiful pictures, good narrative - maybe a little pricey at $40 for the HB.
“General Sherman remarked, in conversation the other day, that the quickest way to compel the Indians to settle down to civilized life was to send ten regiments of soldiers to the plains, with orders to shoot buffaloes until they became too scarce to support the redskins.”

Oof. I didn't know that was Sherman's take on it.

The money quote, describing the root driver of the extermination — it was a policy to exterminate the primary source of sustenance for the Native Americans, to force them onto the reservations. The economic uses and mass hunting competitions were the result.

>>The federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, primarily to pressure the native people onto the Indian reservations during times of conflict by removing their main food source.

>>Without the bison, native people of the plains were often forced to leave the land or starve to death. One of the biggest advocates of this strategy was General William Tecumseh Sherman.

>>On June 26, 1869, the Army Navy Journal reported: “General Sherman remarked, in conversation the other day, that the quickest way to compel the Indians to settle down to civilized life was to send ten regiments of soldiers to the plains, with orders to shoot buffaloes until they became too scarce to support the redskins.”

It has always fascinated me that the people migrating to oregon territory for the gold rush in the 1850's were some of the very very last people to ever see vast swaths of the United States in its pristine, natural state. I wonder if they had any clue that within a matter of a few decades it'd basically all be gone.
Referring to land the natives had inhabited for something like 15,000 years as "pristine" and "natural" is somewhat erasing their accomplishments, no?

Pristine and natural North America had mammoth, horses, and many other megafauna which were rapidly hunted to extinction. But somehow the American Indian evolved culturally, adapting to their environmental niches and cultivating the land to maintain a lifestyle dominated by hunting, with some farming. This involved more-or-less extensive changes to the landscape.

America before the White man came wasn't pristine or natural. It was bountiful.

Seems unnecessary to jump on the guy for his word choice. It's easy to do and it makes you look good when you can give a little speech correcting him. But I don't think it really helps anybody. It seems more like a flex of your education and vocabulary than anything else.
> Referring to land the natives had inhabited for something like 15,000 years as "pristine" and "natural" is somewhat erasing their accomplishments, no?

Erm, no? Seems kind of racist to say otherwise? The plains indians entire culture revolved around preserving and respecting nature. And I'm pretty sure it's only theorized that the paleo-indians wiped out the mammoths, and I'm not sure how that's the problem of the white man or even the native americans of the mid 19th century.

Extending your argument to its logical absurdity, no environment can be considered "pristine" unless it's the literal primordial sludge the first life emerged from. Very odd nitpickery.

This simply isn’t true. The Native Americans’ sense of conservation and “living in perfect harmony” is some romantic fantasy.

There are many records of large pre-Columbian settlements exhausting resources (like game and trees) and abandoning entire areas.

There is nothing racist about it. They were humans. They consumed resources and grew their population as aggressively as their technology permitted.

Seems like you're describing a dynamic equilibrium which is a hell of a lot better than any than that has come after them.
They’d heavily managed the land, especially through intentional burning, for a very long time. That would have shaped entire ecosystems.
This comment makes me feel like I'm on reddit. In a bad way.
Almost makes it sound like if Horses alone were introduced, but no other white man colonization, that the Indians might have wiped out the buffalo also, if left to their own devices.

Wouldn't this be more in line with other megafauna extinctions? The only reason Indians didn't also wipe out this megafauna was a technology change, the addition of horses.

The addition of agriculture would also have meant the raising of bison much as cows.
Butcher's crossing is a great book set against this backdrop. The pithy ending - bison fur was just really a fashion fad - is, if not the entire truth, at least very sobering.
Isn’t there that scene in ”Dances With Wolves” where you see hundreds of dead buffaloes all the way to the horizon?
I recently read "The Once and Future World; Nature As It Was, As It Is, As It Could Be" and basically everything think as nature is an illusion.

We humans have decimated every species on the planet. The planet used to be teaming with wildlife, now its mostly empty and quiet except for the humans.

Be aware that a book like this is selling you something. It's biased. It's going to paint a one-sided picture that best supports its case.
The discussion here reminded me of the Pratchett Discworld story that I least liked - and I bought and enjoyed almost all the books over the decades they were published.

It was the one about the ghouls - hated and despised, until it was figured out they made beautiful music, and were warmly applauded in a crowded concert, triumphantly closing the book.

Whee, close call. If they didn't have any entertainment value and just propagated diseases, that would be another story.

> The arrival of horses, originally brought by the Spanish, revolutionized hunting techniques. By the early 1700s, horses had become integral to the nomadic hunting cultures of Indigenous groups.

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> Attracted by previously unimagined hunting possibilities, Native Americans poured into the Plains from all directions, creating one of most renowned hunting cultures in history.

Does the author mean to imply that the plains were unihabited until the spanish introduction of horses?

No but they flourished post Horse. The horse was like a technology that enabled the Indians to expand and flourish in the plains.

https://www.history.com/news/horses-plains-indians-native-am...

Homo Sapiens Sapiens
My head is blowing up rn trying to understand if they are real pictures
Just imagine those bison’s carbon footprint.
Actually the grasslands of the Great Plains had immense amounts of carbon sequestered in their roots which extended several feet down.

Buffalo, by grazing and fertilizing, helped the grass.