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by __loam 800 days ago
> It just needs to be logically sound, consistent with facts about the world, and objectively useful

So not an LLM then.

> In the case of AI, your prejudice against math and formulas as effective forms of reasoning means you can't critically analyze - or gain benefit from - statements the AI makes.

You ought to have a more skeptical view of mathematical models that may or may not be effective models of the world.

> It's very similar to the internal blockage of a person who immediately dismisses anything a woman, racial minority, mentally ill, or queer person says. The only way to repair it is to spend time talking to the AI, reading about it, and learning how to debate ideas.

Impossible to take this seriously. Borderline parody. If you were at all curious, you would perhaps be questioning the intention of the corporations building this software. Instead you make absurd comparisons with racism.

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This illustrates AI bigotry well

Your first point is that you don't think LLMs can be accurate. That's because you are not using modern LLMs that are much more accurate and can be made more accurate with a large number of techniques, from RAG, to tool using, to self critique and experiment loops.

Your second point is that I'm overly trusting of math models. In fact I'm an applied mathematician, so I know when models fail. I also know when models are reliable - which you don't. So all mathematical reasoning is suspect to you.

Your next point is that drawing analogies with other forms of prejudice is ridiculous here. But every single thing you said was analogous to a thing a bigot would say, down to dismissing the possibility of their own bigotry as being absurd.

Finally you criticize me for not criticizing AI companies. I actually believe all AI companies should be disbanded, and their AIs should be made free for all to use. This would eliminate the corporate corruption in AI. I spend a serious amount of my open source contribution towards anti-corporate open source AI.

I'm very curious about all this stuff. That's why I'm interacting with you and other anti AI people. But my theory about why you respond the way you do is already well formed, and it's pointing toward critical lack of key facts and knowledge.