[realusername]

> Sometimes state-owned enterprises might be able to outperform a private structure!

They can ... until they don't and there's no market correction in place anymore to keep them in check.

It's going to take another decade to feel this effect but it'll be there in full force.

[temporarely]

This is sound analysis sans ideological bs. The system lacks a self-correction mechanism.

The profit driven system is supposed to self-correct. We see this today, with Boeing for example (yes /s).

Now beyond snark, we can ask is the same thing happening to us that happened to the "commies" with the 'defense and national security' establishment raising troubling doppelgangers of "state industry" from the body of "market driven" neo-liberal capitalist societies?

So, we see issue is not really "ownership" but rather establishments ..

[edmundsauto]

In fairness, there is a good chance Boeing is self-correcting now. After deaths and lawsuits. If it were a governmental entity, it’s plausible that would not happen and the company would continue as before.

At least that’s the idea, I think. May as well steel man the argument.

[lazide]

Eh, Boeing is a defacto state owned enterprise. Check out their board composition if you don’t believe me.

Or are you more complaining about the lack of honesty in these defacto situations?

In China, any company larger than a tiny one is state controlled anyway - someone from the CCP needs to have a board seat, and everyone knows what happens if you anger the party.