[nomel]

This is what happens when the repercussions for poor performance/failure is more money. Privatization, with some regulations, and reduction of monopolies, seems like a good idea. But, the system will never choose to harm itself.

[simfree]

The current engineering ecosystem is largely private, and it's poorly functioning, costing us way more money than just hiring engineers as public employees rather than paying a contracting firm to do initial and final design on each rail system segment.

Just go look at the RFPs and responses each municipality has four expansion of their current system. It is all outsource to private industry, at great cost compared to doing it inside government.

[coryrc]

Design-Build contracts. As stupid as the downtown Seattle highway 99 tunnel was [0], apparently we got away without paying the overages.

0: two lanes of traffic each way and an 8-lane stroad for >$2B instead of fixing the 3-lanes-each-way viaduct for $1B

[nomel]

I would claim that the problem is that they're doing it for government, which is what makes the chain of accountability lead to nowhere.

[lmm]

The lack of accountability happens because the government is not allowed to build up the in-house expertise they'd need to manage projects like this, because of this bizarre American idea that government=bad private=good. So the government agencies end up having to outsource absolutely everything - and not only is that expensive, it's also doomed to failure, because understanding and accountability by its nature can't be outsourced. And that's only compounded by a lack of trust, low-bid rules and the like.

If you look at the entities that have actually managed to get stuff like this done (which is something most developed countries around the world manage), it's not private industries, it's governments - but governments that were enabled and trusted to build-up effective in-house teams for doing large projects.

[verteu]

But why are other countries able to build successfully, despite the same chain of accountability?

[coryrc]

The problem is the government doesn't know what to ask for.