[Tabular-Iceberg]

That’s hardly a fair characterization.

The problem is simply one of putting the cart before the horse. Most people simply can’t afford to live within a 15 minute walk of a doctor’s office and there is no real plan in place to fix that.

[dagw]

there is no real plan in place to fix that.

The plan is to identify where there are a lot of people living but there aren't any doctors offices within 15 minute walk, and then find the optimal places to open new doctors offices to cover as many people as possible that don't currently have a doctors office within a 15 minute walk.

[Tabular-Iceberg]

Nobody’s objecting to just sound urban planning. The problem is when you don’t have it and use license plate readers or physical barricades as a band-aid.

[dagw]

license plate readers or physical barricades as a band-aid

What does any of that have to do with 15 minute cities?

[Tabular-Iceberg]

In the UK they're called Low Traffic Neighbourhoods. It's what's at the very heart of the 15 minute city controversy.

Why would people complain about being able to walk to where they need to go? It's obviously being cut off from the places that they aren't able to walk to that people have a problem with. Deflecting from one by pretending it's about the other is a clear sign of bad faith.

[bob88jg]

Nobody is being cut off from anywhere - their route is being made longer in order to avoid residential areas - their journeys would be quicker if they walked they just don't want to...and that is the point highly polluting journeys are being disincentivised...if you absolutely must drive then you need to set off earlier this isn't an attack on people's civil liberties you have no right to drive somewhere..

[dagw]

Low traffic neighbourhoods and 15 minute cities are entirely different concepts, trying to solve different problems and that have very little to do with each other. You can easily have one without the other.

Deflecting from one by pretending it's about the other is a clear sign of bad faith

You know I kind of agree with you about this.

[bob88jg]

Exactly this! It all boils down to people being pissed that their car journey in London takes longer than it used to - nobody is actually being blocked from getting anywhere just their route is being changed - somehow this has been wrapped up in the 15 minute conspiracy...