[michaelt]

> Then they talk about Widevine DRM [...] I don't see how this has anything to do with the fact that Google owns Chrome?

1. Google brought DRM to the web. Before Widevine, DRMed video and audio had to rely on stuff like Adobe Flash (which was on its way out anyway). Google's large market share means they got to write the "standard" and provide the only implementation.

2. Safari can't play Spotify any more. Beers all round at the Google offices.

[adolph]

> 2. Safari can't play Spotify any more.

That is not what Spotify says: https://support.spotify.com/us/article/supported-devices-for...

[wbl]

Do you think Apple, the company that made iTunes, can't make DRM that's acceptable to the music industry?

[scarface_74]

I’m assuming you never read Steve Jobs’ “Thoughts on Music”

https://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_pos...

Short version:

The music industry wanted Apple to license FairPlay. SJ said no. But Apple will start selling interoperable DRM free music if the industry allows it.

One of the major labels and independents took them up on the offer and Apple did it. The other three labels wanted among other things - a royalty from each iPod sold and for Apple to basically post a bond against piracy.

Apple refused and it took until early 2009 for the rest of the labels to come on board.

[Mindwipe]

Jobs died a long time ago.

Apple do license Fairplay sometimes nowadays (especially the weaker music version), and all major music services absolutely support it.

[scarface_74]

This is absolutely completely wrong. No music service supports FairPlay aside from Apple Music. Why would they?

Music you buy from all services is DRM free and music you stream is only in the apps and have no need to support FairPlay. None of the music subscription services allow you to download music and use outside of the app.

Even the ability to play movies bought in one store and being available in another store as a purchased item is supported via MoviesAnywhere integration and not FairPlay.

[Mindwipe]

> This is absolutely completely wrong. No music service supports FairPlay aside from Apple Music. Why would they?

Because they want to support Safari and Homepods generally.

> Music you buy from all services is DRM free and music you stream is only in the apps and have no need to support FairPlay

Every significant music subscription service has web based playback, which will use a DRM system to protect those streams, and will use a multi-DRM system to support multiple browsers. Safari doesn't support Widevine, so if the service works in Safari that means the service also serves FairPlay Streaming licenses.

> Even the ability to play movies bought in one store and being available in another store as a purchased item is supported via MoviesAnywhere integration and not FairPlay.

Very difficult to see what this has to do with the topic at hand, but Fairplay is used to stream those titles to devices that support it. MoviesAnywhere is back end, not distribution. Fairplay has been ported to non-Apple devices too, at least the lower levels.

[izacus]

What are you going on about? Safari supports Apple DRM called FairPlay which "they brought to the web" like Google did.