[jauntywundrkind]

I struggle to think of any piece of software or any group on the planet that has better commitment to transparency & doing it right. Who do you think does a better job, and how?

https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features/#new-featu... shows the process followed. Creating an explainer comes first, which is to be presented immediately to an incubation venue like WICG. Prototype behind a feature flag. Then widening review further, getting request for positions. It's recommended to start an origin trial which will run for a quarter or more. If everything is going fine, then one can start the intent to ship process.

Looking at https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev paints such a picture of slow, controlled evolution. It's absurd to me this kind of flak blasted in the air trying to shoot down something that is generally so measured & controlled & steady in releasing. No one else has anything half this controlled. Who else does Intent to Experiment or Intent to Prototype? Few software has such a model where it's so clear what's coming, what's happening, where change & evolution is done in a controlled, slow, deliberate fashion, where prototypes are worked on & tested in the field for a significant amount of time before coming back to shipping. Few other softwares have such an extreme responsibility in going to working bodies, in soliciting requests for positions, where all manners of discovery are done.

> See, e.g. most of the hardware and PWA/related APIs.

Unclear what specific specs you are trying to throw under the bus here. PWAs took a long time to cook, in my view; hardly did they seem rashly done. A lot of people are really offended the web has MIDI & Gyrometer & other support, to the degree that they wouldn't let others enjoy this.

[troupo]

> shows

> paints

Exactly. You can show and paint all you want. And then there's reality.

> Unclear what specific specs you are trying to throw under the bus here.

Almost all the hardware specs (most of which are "not on any standards track", shipped in Chrome), things like Backround Fetch and Background Sync (same).

There are also others that Google shipped even before there was consensus and there were glaring issues in the spec (like Constructible Stylesheets)

> A lot of people are really offended the web has MIDI & Gyrometer & other support, to the degree that they wouldn't let others enjoy this.

To call this a misrepresentation of reality is a gross understatement

[jauntywundrkind]

What? Generic-sensor API is a candidate recommendation from Devices and Sensors Working Group at the w3c, "intended to become a w3c recommendation". That's like 85% of the sensors. This seems incredibly weird to quibble over.

I'm struggling to see great difficulties in Background Fetch and Background Sync, specs from 6 years ago. WebKit's big fear in their position was that maybe a background fetch for a user who changes networks leaks more data than expected... Ok, maybe, yeah, but also an incredibly tiny corner case that'll affect like 1e-8% of uses.

FUD FUD FUD.

Go read the mailing list folks; figure out for yourself what if anything seems so onerous & terrible about what's happening. By all means, freak out & share if you have concerns. But this looks like a very useful benefit to us all, happening day by day, getting as much consensus and buy in as they can, to me.

[troupo]

> What? Generic-sensor API is a candidate recommendation

I said hardware APIs, not sensors. There are more hardware APIs than just the one you decided to cherry pick.

> I'm struggling to see great difficulties

Whatever you're struggling with, the status of these is literally "not on any standards track"

> FUD FUD FUD.

You asked which standards are not on the standards track and are enabled by default by Google. I listed some of them. No matter how loudly or hysterically you shout "FUD", reality remains unchanged.

I don't have time for your emotional outbursts. Adieu.

[jauntywundrkind]

Sorry, which hardware APIs? Webusb? Others?

Excellent as usual chery picking. Way to be perpetually offended & antagonistic & address nothing. We should all be done with whining nothing's like this crap roll.

You have sold fear fear fear & your counter of trying to disregard & ignore is a strong strategy indeed. Strongly cast down then say nothing when the time comes! Well done. Expert moves. Have you at any point obeyed the HN guidelines that discussions should get more specific? No, you just moan and belly ache. Insult belittle & degrade. More broadly & pitiful than the last time.

Society would be better without these shit show tantrums. Sound & thunder, full of nothings.