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by justinlloyd 808 days ago
"Having a github is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Having a personal blog is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Having a LinkedIn profile is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Having a portfolio website is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Having a degree from anything but a top 10 university is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Posting on <social media> is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Going to network meetups is worthless!" For some, not for me.

"Posting on HackerNews who wants to be hired is worthless!" For some, not for me.

Because the world is made up of many voices, you will hear many opinions of what is useless, and what you should do. Much like the apocryphal wife and husband and their mule.

When I talk to a lot of entrepreneurs and indie game developers about their idea, frequently I hear that advertising or marketing is worthless, they built-it, made a singular post to their 12 followers on Twitter/Instragram/whatever, and nobody came, and then they whined about the lack of response on whatever sub-reddit they think is appropriate.

If you throw a small stone in to a large pond, the ripples it produces will hardly reach the shore, if at all.

If you have a big budget, or a sure-fire viral idea, you can go big all at once. Splash! And the ripples will most certainly reach the shore, and people will, for a time, watch them come in, until the ripples stop, and the people go find something else to watch.

But if you take a dump truck, and poor lots and lots of little stones in, continuously, at different spots in the pond, all those ripples will make interference patterns, and some of the those ripples will reach the near shore, where this crowd of people are standing, and some of the ripples will reach a different shore, where a different crowd of people are standing.

I build interesting and fun side projects. Lots of little pebbles. I put them on my github, I take photos, and write up notes, and talk about them at meetups and conferences when I run into people, and I post about my projects on a big pond called LinkedIn, and a few other smaller ponds, ponds where the people who make hiring decisions are standing on different shores.

And then, every once in a while, without even trying, someone reaches out and says "would you like to come and work with us on this interesting thing we're building?" and a few casual chats for an hour or two that don't involve any leetcoding or livecoding or whiteboardcoding, and if we get a good sense of each other, we might both say "yes." Why, they might even ask for a resume or a C.V. to keep HR happy, long after the decision to hire me has taken place.

So are all of those things that we could do to get hired worthless? Yes. And do they help in getting hired? Also, yes.

You know what I personally do find worthless? Applying for jobs through the normal channels with the rest of the madding crowd that all so desperately want to stand out with their cover letter and their resume and their leetcode studying.

I'm not saying my way works for everyone or anyone. It works for me. Some will loudly proclaim it's worthless. Others will complain that it sounds like a lot of work.

Well, you can apply to 300 jobs, and get 300 rejections, and then sweat bullets when interview time comes about whether your DS&A leetcode skills are up to par. Or you can have someone reach out to you for a chat, a coffee in a lobby, and an hour later you're shaking hands on a good offer.

There will be people in the comments who will say "Well I don't hire that way." And others will say "I would never hire without testing your DS&A!" And others will say "I never looked at your github/linkedin/whatever. There's no time! It's worthless!"

And to them I respond "That's okay, because I'd never work for you. These guys over here are happy to have me. Have interesting problems you see. And are paying more than you are willing too."

1 comments

You have five master's degrees? I'm not sure if most people (or anyone) can really use what works for you and make it work for them, if that's really the case.

FWIW, I found your comment very unhelpful. It sounds more like you want to brag about who you think you are.

It's simply small amounts of marketing, continuously applied. Why would that be unhelpful? What in any of my statement was "bragging?" The only people who care about any education I ever got was someone in HR who needs to check a box. I get hired for the stuff I have built and can build, not what I learned in a classroom two decades ago that I have most assuredly forgotten by now. I built a couple of small side projects, I put them on github, I took photos, I showed the project to people on LinkedIn, I got hired. That's what works, for me. If anything, I'd say getting a formal education beyond high school is probably the most worthless thing I've ever done in my life to advance my career.
Clearly you have a formula that works. But I was merely commenting that I wish your comment was more helpful, because you clearly have wisdom to share.

Between the two comments of yours that I’ve replied to, you used the first-person “I/me/mine” 39 times. Take that for what you will.

If you were to go back in time to a younger version of yourself, what advice might you have offered about life?

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about something.

Why education? Because I was told by teachers I would never amount to anything and I dropped out of school.

I wouldn't say anything to my younger self. I'd just kick my younger self's ass for wasting time and opportunity and listening to adults.

There you go, you can add a few more I/me/mine's to your total count.

> Clearly you have a formula that works.

I/me/mine literally gave you a formula that works. In plain English. At least for I/me/mine. And you wish the comment were more helpful?

> If anything, I'd say getting a formal education beyond high school is probably the most worthless thing I've ever done in my life to advance my career.

Thus, it begs the question - why did you pursue 5 master’s degrees? Was anything you learned worthwhile to your life? If not, why did you pursue them?