[rayiner]

> If it doesn't make sense then you apparently haven't come to terms with the fact that capitalism is a zero sum endeavor

How ignorant do you have to be to still say that in 2024? We literally spent the last century conducting worldwide social experiments to show exactly the opposite. At this point objecting to capitalism itself (I’m not talking more or less regulation within a capitalist system) is like being a flat-earther.

Leftist westerners loved my home country—as an object of their virtuous pity—when it was socialist. You’d see commercials begging for $1/day to feed people. Thanks to capitalism the country has changed completely in the last two decades. Vietnam and China both abandoned communism for capitalism and their prosperity soared.

[hackable_sand]

To be pedantic, the argument is that violence is necessary to maintain the fiction of property.

The violence is abstracted now that capitalism has matured so we only see it as numbers but death is most definitely zero-sum.

[rayiner]

That’s a non-sequitur, because violence is required to maintain any kind of society.

[hackable_sand]

It's not a non-sequitor, but I am glad we are in agreement.

[forgetfreeman]

"At this point objecting to capitalism itself (I’m not talking more or less regulation within a capitalist system) is like being a flat-earther."

You're welcome to that delusion but you're cheerleading a system that among it's many flaws is predicated on continuous growth that's based on a closed system with finite resources to draw from. Three guesses how that ends.

[jnordwick]

lol. people have been predicting the end to natural resources like oil, gas, minerals, and ores for over 100 years now, but they keep getting cheaper showing that they are more abundant now than ever. go read about the Simon and Ehrlich wager where Ehrlich just got humiliated.

[forgetfreeman]

Now who's ignorant? You're confusing the fruits of the combination of technological advancements in extraction and exploitation of the 3rd world with endless abundance. 150 years ago oil wells were routinely dug with nothing more complicated than a pick axe and some dynamite. You think companies invested in the complexity and cost of off shore drilling (as an example) in spite of simpler more cost effective methods being available? Pull your head out.