[jijijijij]

>But normally, you won't actually see anything with your eyes closed, otherwise it would be a "closed-eye visual" (CEV) which is you only experience when you do hallucinogenic drugs (shrooms, LSD)!

I can attest you, this is wrong. When I close my eyes I do see stuff... At the very least some geometric fractals, usually some sort of boiling visual association soup, where random images emerge from fractal Eigengrau liquid. I, willfully, got little influence on the stuff coming up. It feels like watching my brain do brain things. It's rather annoying/exhausting by the way.

I think this experience is a spectrum. It's not like you have it or you don't.

[xpl]

Worth to mention that there is a condition called HPPD (hallucinogen-induced perception disorder), causing people to see CEVs/OEVs while not on drugs. The condition persists for a while (for some people, months or even years) after a drug use, as the name would imply, causing annoyance and anxiety.

Surely its a spectrum, but seeing closed eye visuals isn't considered "being in a normal part of the spectrum" though.

[jijijijij]

>Surely its a spectrum, but seeing closed eye visuals isn't considered "being in a normal part of the spectrum" though.

Source?

[xpl]

Otherwise it wouldn't be labeled a "disorder"?

[jijijijij]

Not how that works....

[kordlessagain]

> I think this experience is a spectrum.

Yes, a thousand times yes.

[jijijijij]

I always imagine there is some sort of threshold for conscious impressions, which varies between people, but also during the day in a single individual. Like islands sticking out of the sea. The more engaged/synchronized the brain processes something, the more "mass" gets build up forming these landscapes. If you lower the water level the islands become wider, if the sea is turbulent the edges become less defined.