[markbnj]

Agree with you about loud pipes, but I am not sure why you had to throw high-vis clothing in there, unless the point is simply not to rely on any one advantage and to assume every driver is going to try to kill you. I do and heartily encourage every other rider to do as well. There is data to argue in favor of high vis clothing, and honestly given that the only downside to it is a perception of personal style I don't get why every rider isn't wearing it.

[phildenhoff]

My point is that no matter what you do or wear, you should assume you are invisible and, like you said, ride like every driver is trying to kill you.

High viz vests CAN be beneficial. Don’t rely on them.