[Shawnj2]

The same benefit doesn’t exist for ChatGPT as Google because Google means people click on your site and you get ad revenue. Google even facilitates this in both directions with search ads and as an ad service you can get paid from for hosting ads. The ROM site DMCA thing was always BS lmao it’s completely legal for you to dump your own carts and use them in emulators but that freedom doesn’t extend to having a copy of someone else’s game cart. That’s just an intentional misunderstanding of the DMCA in a futile attempt to not get banned

[spxneo]

so you think scraping copyrighted content to sell ads is okay and downloading copyrighted games for free is also okay then why is it not okay for ChatGPT to train itself on scraped content?

[cdme]

It's not scraping, it's indexing and linking out to creators. LLMs are helping themselves to everything with no regard for content creators. They should be subject to copyright claims — I don't care if it destroys their business, they should've considered that at the outset. They didn't then and they don't care to now, they're simply greedy and looking to build something that benefits themselves and their investors with no regard for anyone they step on to do so.

[spxneo]

but how can you prove that your picture of a cat was used in LLM?

if you owned a franchise called "Chicken Brothers" with a the logo of two chickens standing side by side with arms crossed proudly then do you have claim over all derivatives including the spanish name generated by LLM?

i just dont think its straight forward, the main complaint should be payout for license used during training but its tough to prove unless someone at OpenAI dumps the AWS cloudwatch logs

[cdme]

That's OpenAI's problem and the burden should be on them.

[Shawnj2]

The first part is fine because the search engine blurb isn’t a replacement for the thing itself. And I disagree with what ROM sites claim, you can’t just dump ROMs online and claim it’s not copyright infringement