[bilbo0s]

It's immediately and self-evidently obvious that no end-user in 2007 consented to photos of their 2007 era teenage self being used to train an AI how to identify an emo kid

Unfortunately, they did actually. It's more accurate to say that they were presented a EULA and Terms of Service that no reasonable teenager would have had any hope of understanding. But since they're over 13, they're held to the terms of those agreements in any case.

These companies are slimy. Make no mistake, this will get worse in the future.

[qeternity]

People have known for eons that companies were using their data. TikTok is well publicized to be the CCP. And yet millions of people would rather have entertainment. There are plenty (myself included) who abstain, but the reality is the vast majority of people, if presented with free and unlimited dopamine hits, will gladly give away their info.

[digging]

> the reality is the vast majority of people, if presented with free and unlimited dopamine hits, will gladly give away their info

I counter that the reality is the vast majority of people do not meaningfully understand the exchange they are making. I'm not saying they're stupid or blaming them whatsoever; it's a similar phenomenon to playing the lottery. Our brains aren't equipped to understand such unintuitive phenomena.

[qeternity]

> I counter that the reality is the vast majority of people do not meaningfully understand the exchange they are making.

I’m not sure this is true in 2024 at all. The presumption today is you’re being tracked, and people simply don’t care.

But let’s presume this isn’t true. I think the response should be to expect more from society. Every additional bit of nanny state coddling reduces individual responsibility.

[BriggyDwiggs42]

Do you consider such people to blame? Under your own framing, they’re more or less being taken advantage of by a modern form of drug dealer.

[qeternity]

Absolutely. Do you think drug addicts have no responsibility for their behavior? Are drug dealers viable without a strong customer base?

[digging]

There's a funny thing where the legal/commercial definition of "consent" is essentially a subset of "non-consent", having extremely little overlap with "consent" in a meaningful way.