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by Aliabid94 809 days ago
The US and even Israeli governments consider these numbers as accurate. The Health Ministry provides the social ID numbers of every death so the deaths would be impossible to fake.
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I don't think the US or Israel made any statements regarding the accuracy of the composition of the numbers. Only that the total ballpark numbers are more or less accurate. If you have a link to the US government statement about the breakdown accuracy of the numbers I'd be interested to look at that. Also this is extrapolating from previous rounds of violence and this one is very different.

Do you have a link to the officially published name, sex, age, ID, of all the victims so far, by date, in the conflict?

When large buildings are demolished by bombs and can't be excavated because of active violence what's the process for figuring out who potentially was or wasn't in that building? with all the refugees moving around the chaos how do you know if someone who used to live there is dead or sheltering somewhere else out of contact?

Hamas reports everyone as civilians (or doesn't make a distinction).

The official list is published on the Gaza Health Ministry’s telegram account. The most recent list is available at https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/5261.
Is the only way to download it by installing this telegram app on my machine?

EDIT: While trying to find this from another source I found this: https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-health-system-co...

"Of the 21,703 identified fatalities whose details have been shared by the Hamas-run health ministry, 13,207 were women, children or elderly (61%)."

"Until recently, however, the ministry had been reporting a figure of 72%."

"Mr al Wahaidi told Sky News that this was a "media estimate". He was not able to explain the basis for this estimate or who had produced it."

"Since speaking to Sky News, he has stopped using this figure in his reports for the health ministry. It continues to be used by the government media office, a separate branch of Gaza's government."

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"media estimate". Another by the way is that I think we should assume that given the significant bombing campaigns are more or less over the more recent casualties likely include less randomness and more targeted. I would guess that the ratio of women/children/elderly is much lower in more recent stages of the war.

There’s a simple explanation about why the numbers are now a “media estimate”. The health ministry used hospital figures, which are now unable to obtain because they have no health infrastructure anymore. I’m sure Israel would love for the health ministry to stop counting deaths since they don’t have the tools to accurately do so, but it’s absurd to assume that would be more truthful than media estimates.
What was the point of finding the actual list you asked for if you weren’t even going to look at it?
I'd like to look at it. I just don't want to download Telegram's app. I haven't given up yet. The article was just a by the way while Googling and had this nugget of the made up 72% number in it.
They have released those at points in the past; I'm not sure if they're doing it on an ongoing basis, and their numbers include a large number of unidentified casualties. I think those usually make up about a third or so if I remember correctly.

Not included are a large number of missing people, and all the people who die of secondary causes like maltutrition, disease outbreaks, and poor access to proper medical care.

Nobody really knows what the real casualty figures are, but I'm inclined to take the Gaza Health Ministry's numbers seriously -- as do Israel and the US, as you already mentioned.

How it would be impossible to fake just because they provide the social ID number?
Because you can cross reference these with the Israeli controlled population registry and make sure e.g. the same person isn’t listed twice under a different name, that they are actually dead, that they are actually from Gaza, etc.