[FireBeyond]

> 972 is very far left, at least compared to the standard Israeli position, I believe.

Netanyahu, who has been PM of Israel on 3 occasions, for 16 years, and was one of the people responsible for a policy of funding and arming Hamas (so Israel didn't have to answer awkward questions like "Arafat and the PLO are willing to come to the peace table and make a two state solution work, why aren't you?"), figuring it better to have an extremist opponent than a moderating one is categorized as being from very right wing to extreme right wing.

So I would say that the very vast majority of reporting is probably left to far left of Netanyahu and his party position. That doesn't obviously discount their remarks, let alone your implication that by default, we should assume their words might not be accurate.

[edanm]

> So I would say that the very vast majority of reporting is probably left to far left of Netanyahu and his party position.

972 isn't just left of Netanyahu or his current government, which you correctly categorize as extreme right IMO. They are far left of almost all Israelis, many of whom are centrists (with not a few more left-wing citizens). As far as I can tell, they are far to the left of Haaretz, which is the more standard olg-guard left-leaning newspaper in Israel.

> That doesn't obviously discount their remarks, let alone your implication that by default, we should assume their words might not be accurate.

I was implying they are inaccurate not because they lean left, specifically, but because they are very biased. I don't particularly trust their reporting, because in the few times I've read any of it, it's been fairly clear that they are interpreting almost everything in a way that is maximally "anti-Israel". That doesn't mean they automatically shouldn't be trusted, but they shouldn't automatically be trusted either.

[g8oz]

In what world are most Israeli centrists? They are mostly fascists by any definition of the term.

[edanm]

1. I strongly disagree.

2. I think that kind of dehumanizing language is both awful and counterproductive. All it does is radicalize Israelis further, Israelis who already believe the world is against them and they have to fight for themselves.

3. When people use similar language about Gazans, e.g. saying e.g. "there are no innocent Gazans" or "most Gazans are terrorists", people correctly criticize them.

4. In any case, even if you truly believe that most Israelis are fascists, my main point still stands - that 972 is far to the left of most Israeli's beliefs.