[Spivak]

Which like yeah, but the US doesn't exactly come out smelling like a rose here. The whole EU-US transatlantic data transfer spat surrounding Facebook was because of PRISM which EU courts ruled gave the US the same level of access.

The US even went so far to demand that US intelligence has domain over data no matter where it's stored, and supremacy when it conflicts with local laws https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-....

If you're in the US you could make an argument that it's fine because it's your own government -- which I don't really buy because China can't arrest you over here -- but to everyone else US tech and business should be just as toxic as China if that's the real motivation.

[wumeow]

Appealed and overturned: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZU1RI/

> which I don't really buy because China can't arrest you over here

Not entirely true: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/19/china-police-state-...

[aragonite]

> Appealed and overturned

Look up the CLOUD act passed in response to that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

[wumeow]

The CLOUD act has provisions that allow a company to challenge a warrant if the target is not a US person and obtaining the data would violate local laws.