[skeledrew]

And look at the state of the world with all our interventions. We may be "a part of nature", but the things we do to it are definitely not natural. We're the only ones doing collectively irreparable harm, so as not to be at its mercy.

[TeMPOraL]

> We may be "a part of nature", but the things we do to it are definitely not natural.

Name three.

I can think of one: we landed stuff on the Moon and beyond. I think that otherwise, nature has a hard time reaching out beyond low Earth orbit.

Other than that, I can't think of anything we'd consider massive fuckups that nature didn't do better. We're definitely tamer than anything else, considering that life itself is a mass murder fest at every scale, from molecular to planetary.

[skeledrew]

All things nuclear, gross water mismanagement, fossil fuel mining and usage, all things plastic, hunting and killing for sport and other non-nutrient-related desires, extreme resource hoarding, ... that's 6 broad areas so far; shall I continue?

[TeMPOraL]

> All things nuclear

The stupid part is that we're not using nuclear energy, and have irrational fear of nuclear waste relative to much more dangerous, potent, and undiscussed "conventional" industrial waste.

Also naturally ocurring nuclear reactors are a thing. On the surface, too, I'm not talking about the Earth's core here.

> gross water mismanagement

Animals do intentional and unintentional water management too.

> fossil fuel mining and usage, all things plastic

Fair enough, this is unique-ish and we are mishandling it, though the use of either isn't bad per se - rather the unsustainable use.

> hunting and killing for sport and other non-nutrient-related desires

Have you ever seen a cat?

> extreme resource hoarding

That's a fundamental thing all life does.

Keep in mind that nothing in nature is thinking forwards - all life is self-destructively greedy, and nature doesn't care if e.g. some beavers dam a river and accidentally flood a whole valley, killing themselves, their offspring, and extincting a bunch of unique flora and fauna. The stability you see, that people so love and associate with nature - it's not a fixed thing, it's a temporary equilibrium in life killing other life.

[quesera]

I'm not sure I'd count your example, it's just a variation on "wander or explore".

But "Plastics" could be a candidate.