[cykros]

Incidentally, the Mediterranean diet also involves a lot of fat -- specifically, monounsaturated fats, which I've never heard anyone suggest ISN'T healthier than eating a large amount of animal fats, including the biggest keto proponents.

And keto does call for a moderate protein intake as well, as excess proteins are ultimately converted into glucose.

It seems there may be a bit of a straw man being built up here, based on the fact that it is very easy to tend toward an excessive meat/dairy based diet on keto, but nothing about it requires doing so.

Personally I know my reason for overdoing meats and dairy is that while I do a mostly keto-leaning diet, I'm also lifting weights, and have a higher than normal protein target for muscle growth. While vegan bodybuilders are a thing, looking at their food intake will let you know how difficult getting 150+g of protein a day from plant sources is -- there's a reason cows eat ALL day long.

Meat is the original processed protein source -- the machinery is just biological. Many of the same drawbacks as other processed foods, and many of the same conveniences.

[cmiller1]

> which I've never heard anyone suggest ISN'T healthier than eating a large amount of animal fats

I see you haven't run into the anti-seed oil nutjobs.

[blitzar]

I am an anti-seed oil nutjob - I use olive oil.