[mlyle]

I understand basic economics just fine; but what you say seems to be orthogonal/not understanding what the common pool problem is.

Market mechanisms allocate resources better than "whomever is willing to endure the worst conditions" does.

[seoulmetro]

This has nothing to do with market mechanisms. You can't look at and negotiate with the market to get to work cheaper.

[mlyle]

In many places, congestion pricing is dynamic and tries to keep roads at the highest throughput capacity.

Here, it's a pseudo-static value chosen to try and push the roads to the highest throughput capacity. (There is some variation by time of day, but not by actual demand).

It has a lot to do with market mechanisms. This is stuff that's within the capability of a high school student to perform a reasonable analysis about after a semester-long class.

[seoulmetro]

I've never seen a toll road decrease in price because no one was using it. Wouldn't that be the easiest place to test congestion if "market played a role"? Car number go up, price go up. Bing bong.

No, it might take a high schooler to read too much into it and pluck things out of thin air though.

It's okay if you genuinely think prohibiting something is effective at providing people with more effective usage of that thing. You'll be wrong though.

[mlyle]

> I've never seen a toll road decrease in price because no one was using it.

Have you ever seen a city with congestion charge have all traffic vanish? :P

> Car number go up, price go up. Bing bong

As already mentioned by me, to you, above: there are lots of roads with dynamic pricing with this exact characteristic. But there's a tradeoff to be made between having a simple charge and by having fancy dynamic pricing.

> It's okay if you genuinely think prohibiting something is effective at providing people with more effective usage of that thing.

Charging for something != prohibiting.

There's already a lot of costs driving into the city (including the opportunity cost of being stuck in traffic). Adding a charge can make driving cheaper for people who have a high value on driving (because they value their time).

[seoulmetro]

You seem to think the government charging for something is them understanding the market. It's not.

It's just another way to prohibit. That's the whole basis of fines in traffic violations. Not to discourage, but to prohibit most people.

Sorry if you can't understand that even after all this.

[mlyle]

Do you understand what an opportunity cost is?

Does the opportunity cost of driving fall if traffic decreases?

Is there an optimum amount of traffic on a given roadway for society?

Does society reach that optimum value on its own?

Does the current system (first come, first serve, best-effort) appropriately prioritize traffic with vastly different economic values and priorities appropriately?