[NewJazz]

When Tesla was building out their network, 800V cars were not common. Even now most EVs out there are Teslas or other 400V vehicles. And Tesla is building out 800V chargers soon, and they'll probably move all their vehicles to 800V as well. What more can we expect from them?

[peutetre]

We can expect better chargers with higher voltages, longer cables, standard plugs, standard protocol, all EV brand support, and contactless, no app payment.

The V4 is a step in the right direction and is nearly there except for the voltage problem:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yflZN0dLT8s

Tesla must try harder. Kempower and Alpitronic both build better chargers than Tesla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4

[panick21_]

Tesla 'must' do nothing. They do what is correct for them. Building 'better' chargers isn't hard. Building 10000s of better chargers is hard. There have been a wealth of alternative charger companies for a while, and having an example that works isn't that hard. Tesla however has to scale and deploy those charges in huge volumes.

And this is specially true if you want to make stations that have more then a low number of chargers. Because the connection to the local grid becomes a huge problem, and this problem is increased is you move to higher voltage.

Tesla moves at the pace of the market, and their own cars. Not at a pace that to enable Hyundai to make as much money as possible without investing themselves.

Hyundai should be grateful Tesla opened their charges at all. Because actual 350kW chargers are incredibly rare and broken incredibly often.

[peutetre]

> Tesla 'must' do nothing.

Of course they must. Better EV infrastructure is required.

> Building 'better' chargers isn't hard.

Good. Then Tesla can achieve it. They haven't achieved Alpitronic's or Kempower's level yet but if Tesla works at it they'll get there.

> Because actual 350kW chargers are incredibly rare and broken incredibly often.

There are a lot of them in Europe. 400 kW chargers are being deployed these days.

[panick21_]

> Better EV infrastructure is required.

First of all, better infrastructure doesn't just mean faster chargers.

Second, Tesla is a private company that want to make profit. Developing better infrastructure is not their primary goal.

Tesla builds its own charger for its own network that charges cars that they know. They don't need to sell superchargers to other networks or costumers.

Tesla has the technical capability of building 400kw charges, they build even faster charger for the Semi. But it just doesn't strategically make sense to build those kinds of chargers.

Take make about 3000 DC Fast Chargers per Quarter, they will upgrade those to 350kw/h at some point, and then higher then that eventually. But only if they can continue to build and deploy 3000 or more of them per quarter. The 'how many per Quarter' is actually the import number.

[peutetre]

> First of all, better infrastructure doesn't just mean faster chargers.

It means faster chargers and more. Not point in defending mediocrity.

Mercedes has 400 kW chargers: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45847770/mercedes-chargep...

Gravity has 500 kW chargers: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gravit...

North America's EV infrastructure is slowly improving.

> Second, Tesla is a private company

No, it's a public company.

> Tesla builds its own charger for its own network that charges cars that they know.

They've been charging all brands in Europe for a long time now.

> They don't need to sell superchargers to other networks or costumers.

But that's exactly what they are doing. Not even Tesla agrees with you.

[aeternum]

Shouldn't Kia build out the 800v chargers? After all it is their cars that benefit from it.

[peutetre]

No need. Every other charger manufacturer makes chargers that support 800 volt cars. You can buy them off the shelf. Hyundai's (same company as Kia) charging stations use third party chargers.

Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RC-hipaK3GY

Their Korean stations are custom builds but they're not doing that everywhere: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210121000481

The main issue is that North America's charging infrastructure is in a bad state due to a lack of standardization and regulation. Lack of direction means lack of investment.

Europe set their standards and direction early which is why the EV infrastructure is better. This is the European plan to 2030: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f...

North America will get its act together eventually.

[NewJazz]

Either that or buy a stake in Tesla's network along with a requirement that the funds be used to upgrade or install chargers with V4.