[whimsicalism]

> Ok, but if there's no reason?

If there is no reason, why were you fired?

You can easily google/ask chatgpt the answer to your questions - the answer is that some companies are nowadays very risk averse in laying people off precisely because they are afraid of discrimination lawsuits, which is why they generally have very solid documentation of performance problems (hence the reason for the modern Performance Improvement Plan as a papertrail)

[Rinzler89]

>If there is no reason, why were you fired?

Behause they can? To cover their ass? I duuno.

I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued.

They just terminate your contract and let you know they terminate your contract by giving you your notice and that's that, you're gone in 30-90 days, no need to provide an explanation as to why they decided to terminate you since they're not required by law.

So I'm asking to know how it's like in the US if it's like here. If employers aren't required by law to provide termination reason, why would they?

[benglish11]

In most US states the employer doesn’t need to provide a reason for dismissal. Whether they do or don’t you may sue your employer or file a complaint with the state oversight agency. In that lawsuit if you have persuasive evidence of discrimination (race, age, pregnancy, gender, etc) then you may win a large settlement or a judgment if it actually goes to trial. The company will provide evidence why they fired you for non-discriminatory reasons.

[tpmoney]

The reason I was always told was that terminating an employee for cause is the only way not to take a hit to your unemployment insurance if they file for unemployment. So if they have any "good" reason for firing you, it's in their best interests to provide that reason.

[gambiting]

>>I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued.

What EU country is that?

[Rinzler89]

>What EU country is that?

Austria.

[wkat4242]

Wow weird. I've been there and l thought it was a really socialist country. Especially because the housing in Vienna seems very well regulated to avoid extreme prices.

But I didn't really discuss this topic with the coworkers I visited so clearly I was wrong :(

[Rinzler89]

Oh it's socialist all right when it comes to taxing everything that moves to pay for pensions and welfare. It's not socialist when it comes to employment laws and protections, there it's a capitalist paradise. In most non unionized business it's at will employment.

[wkat4242]

Wow, I had no idea we even had at will employment anywhere in Europe!

Like here in Spain if I'd get fired I would get a redundancy package for sure. And of course France has even better protections (we're all jealous of their 2 months holidays of course :P ).

I'm not sure if we're unionised though.

Thanks for letting me know. I was not really considering it as a place to live but I won't now - especially as I'm getting older.

[whimsicalism]

Not providing a reason is often insufficient to defend against a good discrimination lawsuit, especially after discovery.