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Security SWE here. I have worked with WhatsApp's security engineers, I donate hundreds to the Signal Foundation every year, and I like to think I have a good amount of experience by now in the security industry.

> you are a fool if you install WhatsApp [...] meta is balls deep inside the app and watching what you do.

WhatsApp uses the same protocols as Signal under the hood. The Signal team even helped WhatsApp implement it. Furthermore, the app has been extensively RE'd by third parties to validate it's doing what it says on the tin.

https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

> When I hear friends talk about WhatsApp I cringe. The few who have signal I regard highly.

Your clear lack of knowledge on the subject matter combined with your judgement of others says far more about you than your friends. It seems that you have fallen victim to the Dunning-Kruger curve, so consider not judging people until that is rectified.

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> Furthermore, the app has been extensively RE'd by third parties to validate it's doing what it says on the tin.

thats a freaking lie and you should feel bad for repeating it.

it was barely reviewd years ago. before all the shady features that even caused the original founder to leave the company (and a few billions worth of golden handcuffs) with an open letter about how fb destroyed privacy in WhatsApp.

EU and all sane state actors forbid its use (some recommends signal)

all recent political leaks was from fb (e.g. brazil, italy)

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> thats a freaking lie and you should feel bad for repeating it.

It's trivial to RE the app. Plenty of 3Ps continually RE the app.

Support your claims of WhatsApp being backdoored with facts, not random assertions you pull out of - where, exactly?

> EU and all sane state actors forbid its use

Because it is E2EE. You don't want government employees to use an E2EE service because it kills transparency.

> some recommends signal

WhatsApp and Signal share the same exact protocol.

> all recent political leaks was from fb (e.g. brazil, italy)

Irrelevant to WhatsApp. They're run by a completely separate team within Meta, have completely different leadership and reporting chains, and has a completely separate codebase and architecture.

Again, support your claims with actual facts instead of incoherent angry rambling. Is it backdoored? Can Meta access your messages? Provide proof.