[Rinzler89]

>2+ jobs with minimal responsibilities or expectations

I was never lucky to find such jobs in my life. Every job I had enough on my plate to not have enough time and energy for a second job.

Plus, in my EU country working 2 full time jobs at the same time is impossible since employers can ask to see your social security contributions history before you start work to make sure it matches what you said in your resume, and there it shows your current and past employment history so they'll find out. Even if you don't get caught at that stage, if you get caught later, they can sue you for it if they find out.

Feels like only Americans have this luxury of plentiful easy jobs for big money and employers who don't ask questions.

[babyshake]

I'm not capable of this, but I think the idea for many is to get a job that does have responsibilities and expectations, and treat it like a job with minimal responsibilities and expectations.

[LoganDark]

Pretty much. I see these people all the time, they know how to slack off to the maximum extent possible while still appearing somewhat productive to their superiors. They just exist and don't raise a fuss which keeps them employed for years or decades with near zero effort, all the while I'm worrying immensely about everything and so tired at the end of each workday that 12 hours of sleep is barely enough!

[porknubbins]

Like everything in US law its complicated because we are resistant to single unified systems. Working for two Fortune 500 companies is likely to end badly like you said in the EU. But there are many smaller companies here that are not as bureaucratized. So like startup + bigcorp would be safer, different industries even better. The tradeoff is we get fired all the time and have almost no worker protections except for in a few states like CA.

[kccqzy]

Oh American companies check too. There are things like The Work Number https://theworknumber.com/ that collects and stores employment information. The typical company does perform a background check on applicants.

[_visgean]

Depends on your setup, if you are working as a self employed then nobody can check that. But only works in certain countries.

[halfcat]

> if you get caught later, they can sue you for it if they find out

Is it illegal to have 2 jobs in your country?

[Tijdreiziger]

Netherlands:

- may not work more than 60 hours in a single week, and not more than 48 hrs/week on average

- may not work more than 12 hours in a single shift

- must rest for at least 11 consecutive hours every day, and at least 36 consecutive hours every week

- stricter rules than this for pregnant women and minors

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/werktijden/vraag-en...

[MrDresden]

Iceland has similar regulations but they are only limits on the employer. Nothing illegal about working multiple jobs at the same time.

I would think it was the same in NL.

[Tijdreiziger]

From what I’ve understood in NL, the limit is on all employers simultaneously. So if you work two jobs, even if each job is within the limits, if both jobs together exceed the limits, both employers are liable.

> Under the Arbeidstijdenwet (Law on Working Hours), you must inform all your employers about your working hours. Your employer is liable for contraventions of the Arbeidstijdenwet. If you contravene, your employer may be fined. Even if he is not aware of your second job. [1]

Curiously though, it appears there are a number of cases in which the law doesn’t apply: for employees who earn 3x minimum wage or more, professional sporters, researchers, theatrical professionals, medical professionals, military personnel, summer camp guides, and volunteers. [2]

Disclaimer: not a lawyer.

[1] translated from https://www.arag.nl/werk-en-inkomen/arbeidscontract/twee-ban...

[2] https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/werktijden/vraag-en...

[anigbrowl]

This seems more like a limit on employers than workers.

[constantcrying]

Germany: It is part of my contract that my employer knows about my other jobs and they don't interfere with my actual job. E.g. having a side business that you maintain outside your working ours is fine.

You also can't have two full-time jobs without you violating labor laws or defrauding your employer. Since if you aren't defrauding one employer you would have to work 16 hours a day, which you can not do for 5 days a week in a row. And there is no way to actually hide that your are doing this. Employers are forced to pay certain taxes for employing you which can't be payed by two different companies for the same thing.

[MaKey]

I think you could pull it off by working as a freelancer / contractor besides your main job.

[_visgean]

usually every contract for a job will have some clause like working hours etc. You would be breaking that clause.

[datavirtue]

Contract? We are at will.

[_visgean]

What do you mean? You dont sign anything?