[namaria]

> Unfortunate its hard for people to get 'economy of scale'

> we have the investment<>expensive<>benefit hen<>egg issue.

Maybe it's easy for people to get economies of scale AND path dependence. Unfortunately society has been put in a trajectory that maximized the profits of minerals rights holders in the industrializing US.

And yes, we are in a sub optimal local minimum in terms of efficiency and need to go over a hump to get to better minimums and going over that hump may mean increasing carbon intensity of the economy for a while.

Do we have time to do that though? Should we carbon de-intensify the economy and aim for a trajectory that minimizes climate related shocks or should we go all out on an accelerationist hope that we can bootstrap a better system by running the current one red hot? These seem to be the two sides of the debate we're in.

[MrSkyNet]

I believe that IT is the biggest multiplicator we have.

The main reason why i get paid well is, that everything i do, i normally not do for one person or a single company.