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by nkozyra 813 days ago
> you should be just fine with this result.

Some people are. Some people who have been victimized do forgive and ask for leniency.

There is an emotional and personal aspect to that, but typically we don't set laws that way.

I'd also argue that "it's all good" is not a fair measure for when we consider justice to be served. Practically, when there's nothing left to gain, the scale tips from justice to pure retribution.

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> Some people are. Some people who have been victimized do forgive and ask for leniency.

I think you're confusing forgiveness with punishment. The two are not incompatible.

If your son hits your daughter, you forgive him immediately (you do not hold hatred or anger in your heart for that action); but you still punish him to deter the future behavior. The two are not incompatible, or at odds with one another. Similarly, it is not incompatible that a man who committed mass murder might be forgiven by the families (in that they won't hold hate in their hearts, or use his name as a curse), but the families may also simultaneously desire that the individual be removed from society.

> Practically, when there's nothing left to gain, the scale tips from justice to pure retribution.

Retribution is part of justice, and is not at odds with it. If I steal $500, I owe $500 as part of justice. If I steal $1,000; I owe $1,000 as part of justice. If I steal $10 billion dollars, a sum I shall never repay, I can only beg forgiveness and pay the most I reasonably can, for a reasonable amount of my life. For justice, at that point, recognizes that a society which allowed me to steal $10 billion in the first place, has some responsibility as well, reducing the required amount for retribution.

> I think you're confusing forgiveness with punishment. The two are not incompatible.

Not at all. You said "you should be fine with it," which is really "acceptance" rather than forgiveness, although they go hand in hand.

My point was simply that being fine with it or not being fine with it as an personal, emotional response typically does not guide modern societal rules.

> Retribution is part of justice, and is not at odds with it.

Inherently this is probably true, but we actually have laws that are intended to specifically exclude that as a factor, depending on jurisdiction.