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For YC/HN to peddle fewer platitudes, euphemisms, and equivocations.

At what point does preservation of this hallucinated wealth game become forced conservation of history and get in the way of the “freedom” part?

Why are we socially trained to accept “people say Musk is rich so it must be true?”

It’s all a socialized hallucination backed by government force. It’s kind of a huge joke.

Let’s just get drunk and shoot pistols at the workers feet. At least it’s honest.

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> Why are we socially trained to accept “people say Musk is rich so it must be true?”

We're not socially trained for this. People don't think it's true because people say it. They think it's true because he owns a large stake in a lot of extremely valuable companies.

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Owns is a socialized concept. It’s not immutable physics

We learn what it means as far as ground truth from socialization

[robertlagrant]

Okay, but "rich" isn't, if you've accepted people can own things.

Not killing people is a socialised concept. I don't think this banale-fact-dressed-up-as-criticism of "is a social construct" is worth much. And if it is, it's also a social construct, as are the words used to communicate it. So should we then ignore it?

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People can own things != minority of people should own all the things. Gradients, ranges, distributions, not binary.

If it’s so banal it would have no influence but you seem to accept the underlying; “banal” facts have power and social concepts are mutable. So you push back with empty rhetoric, over generalizing others to avoid the powerful fact socialized society is hallucination.

I never criticized “social concepts” either. I criticized our current social concept. Others can be propagated. Your banal attempt to generalize specifics is a lame rhetorical approach where you both accept socialized society as a concept but refuse to debate its specifics (that would require actual effort not just miming money/assets changed hands via paperwork).

May as well browse r/conservative as all HN is ever shipping is fealty to who we say is smart and rich but never requires them to prove it, but requires us to kneel and kiss the rings regardless, as if spoken tradition and written records are real evidence of skill and accomplishment when billions are spent reminding us these things are true.

[robertlagrant]

> People can own things != minority of people should own all the things. Gradients, ranges, distributions, not binary.

You've just described capitalism, and our current situation.