[ohmyiv]

> If you need a driver's license, how do you get a driver's license? With a birth certificate? Okay, how do you get a copy of your birth certificate when you don't have a driver's license?

Using vitalchek, you can order a BC with a notarized document, using two people who have valid IDs as people to vouch for your identity. I've done it for multiple clients.

[AnthonyMouse]

Interesting to see a modern variant of compurgation still in active use.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, if me and one of my friends both have a valid ID, we can get anybody's birth certificate?

[ohmyiv]

There also has to be someone that needs the BC to see the notary. But, for the most part, yes, it's that easy to obtain a BC using vitalchek.

Note: The notary will record the ID #s and other info of the two ID holders. So if something goes wrong, the two ID holders will be on the hook as well.

Once the notarized document is submitted to vitalchek, they'll process the request.

Of course, one would still have to know a few details from the BC (parents, location, etc) to get vitalchek to submit the request to the county/city registrar.

[AnthonyMouse]

> Note: The notary will record the ID #s and other info of the two ID holders. So if something goes wrong, the two ID holders will be on the hook as well.

Though of course this is a method of fraudulently obtaining an official ID, so you do need to be concerned that the people engaged in that sort of enterprise might already have a couple of them.

> Of course, one would still have to know a few details from the BC (parents, location, etc) to get vitalchek to submit the request to the county/city registrar.

Which is the sort of thing that gets collected in big databases which then get breached and published on the internet.