[jobigoud]

It's even possible they converge when trained on different data, if they are learning some underlying representation. There was recent research on face generation where they trained two models by splitting one training set in two without overlap, and got the two models to generate similar faces for similar conditioning, even though each model hadn't seen anything that the other model had.

[IshKebab]

That sounds unsurprising? Like if you take any set of numbers, randomly split it in two, then calculate the average of each half... it's not surprising that they'll be almost the same.

If you took two different training sets then it would be more surprising.

Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

[MajimasEyepatch]

It doesn't really matter whether you do this experiment with two training sets created independently or one training set split in half. As long as both are representative of the underlying population, you would get roughly the same results. In the case of human faces, as long as the faces are drawn from roughly similar population distributions (age, race, sex), you'll get similar results. There's only so much variation in human faces.

If the populations are different, then you'll just get two models that have representations of the two different populations. For example, if you trained a model on a sample of all old people and separately on a sample of all young people, obviously those would not be expected to converge, because they're not drawing from the same population.

But that experiment of splitting one training set in half does tell you something: the model is building some sort of representation of the underlying distribution, not just overfitting and spitting out chunks of copy-pasted faces stitched together.

[evrial]

That's explanation of central limit theorem in statistics. And any language is mostly statistics and models are good at statistical guessing of the next word or token.

[taneq]

If not are sampled from the same population then they’re not really independent, even if they’re totally disjoint.

[evrial]

They are sourced mostly from the same population and crawled from everything can be crawled.

[Tubbe]

Got a link for that? Sounds super interesting

[d_burfoot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms

[bobbylarrybobby]

I mean, faces are faces, right? If the training data set is large and representative I don't see why any two (representative) halves of the data would lead to significantly different models.

[arcticfox]

I think that's the point; language is language.

If there's some fundamental limit of what type of intelligence the current breed of LLMs can extract from language, at some point it doesn't matter how good or expansive the content of the training set is. Maybe we are finally starting to hit an architectural limit at this point.

[dumbfounder]

But information is not information. They may be able to talk in the same style, but not about the same things.