[p1esk]

Action-packed and gratifying? Sure. Fun? No.

Some of the people you see in ER are having the worst time of their lives (I was once), so it would be great to be viewed as more than “pph”.

Btw, that forum you linked to, it’s depressing. Yes, the system is broken, but it also seems everyone has just given up.

[sangnoir]

> Fun? No

Maybe not for you. If I had a medical emergency, I wouldn't want to be attended to by a mopey physician - no matter how dire my circumstances. The same goes for therapists and first responders. Yes, those people don't always see people at their best, and they've seen some shit - but it's just a job, and society works best if that job is done well.

ER doctors are the SREs of physicians - some folk are wired to enjoy the same high-tempo/unpredictability aspects that repels others.

[liotier]

> Action-packed and gratifying? Sure. Fun? No.

I looked up the etymology of "fun" and you are right - Middle English fonne, fon (“foolish, simple, silly”).

That said, I'll take action-packed and gratifying over fun any day.

Also, emergency medical doctors are extremely foolish people during their down time - medicine has an old tradition of utter silliness when it is time to blow off steam from the job's pressure. So there, fun too !

[lukan]

When I was in ERs as patient, I did enjoy doctors with a good mood. People with a good mood are also usually doing a better job and if they have fun fixing my mess, good for them and for me. Optimism is quite helpful for recovery.

I mean, I am also a fan of black humor, so mixing jokes with blood works for me, even if it is my own blood.

[hundreddaysoff]

Of course I view you as more than pph. My job would not be very fun if I only viewed you as pph. And another part of keeping my job involves minimizing patients complaining about me to admin, which they would a whole lot more if I only [acted like I] viewed them as pph.

And, in order to allow myself to continue viewing patients who are not you as more than pph as well (and thus keep my job), I also consider a lens of pph. Because if I'm talking to you for an hour about low-carb diets or whatever and you feel like I'm the best doctor in the world, but there are 5 more people in the waiting room in pain that I haven't seen yet because I'm totally focused on you... also not doing my job.

The fact that I use this lens does not limit the services I provide to you or the empathetic positive feelings I share with you as a fellow human. (Or not, if you don't want those feelings. As a certified weirdo, I distrust people who come onto me w/ big outward empathy, personally. But most patients like it in my experience. So I tailor it really depending on who you are.)

Agree that forum is very depressing. Bunch of old ER docs who aren't looking for a way out for whatever reason. Part of the goal of my posts in that thread was to get them to smile a little, but they're too crusty. If I hated my job as much as some of them, I would just quit immediately and go back to programming.

[fuzzfactor]

I found it quite enlightening to read the thread from last month about

"Hospital wants us to admit dead patients"

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/hospital-wants-us-t...