[smackeyacky]

> Hmm, let me try to defend TypeScript, then. I think it’s a terrific language, and more importantly manages to salvage JavaScript into a very decent language

Counterpoint: It's a desperate attempt to make Javascript useable and nearly does so, but ends up being weird in itself to get around the limitations of the underlying language.

I use Typescript most days and I hate it. Part of that is that npm is a dumpster fire but a lot of it is that Typescript is a rubbish version of much better languages and it hurts to use it. I am so desperate to get back to something sane like C# that I will quit this job for less money.

[iainmerrick]

I'm sure we'll never fully agree, but I am surprised that you think TypeScript "ends up being weird in itself". To the contrary, I think the type system feels very natural; what feels weird is when you switch to another language and realise it doesn't have e.g. sum types.

One big problem I do bump into with TS is that the tooling of TS itself is pretty bad -- the way it manages compiler options, import paths, etc. Luckily you don't need to use TSC very much in practice, and other TS-aware tools like esbuild and Bun are vastly better.

(Likewise, I find myself much happier with NPM than with other package managers like Maven or PyPI, at least when you switch the NPM tool itself for a better drop-in replacement like PNPM.)

Anyway, each to their own! I hope you're able to find a good C# gig or similar.