[MrSkelter]

There is no compelling evidence that Musk is smart. That’s not being a “hater” it’s just reality.

In any timeframe there are people who rise by luck with timing and opportunity. Musk is that guy. He bet on EVs just before massive subsidies became available for them and then got lucky as the incumbent companies mostly did nothing.

He bet on space just before the US lost its only human capable system and again hovered by taxpayer funds and contracts.

All again in an era of free money post 2008.

As for the products? Teslas are some of them worst built cars ever made and Tesla produced vehicles for segments Americans don’t want. Minivans, sedans and limousines.

Space X meanwhile makes rockets which are a step back from the Shuttle in terms of capability and which will now require 6-8 launches what Apollo could do in 1. All built on lies about building a Mars capable craft which will carry 100 people - a feat Starship will never attain as it’s too small.

Musk has had an incredible string of luck but makes awful decisions, has no design sense and pretends to be a genius.

He’s very average indeed. His politics and attitudes are like a lot of gamers because that’s all he is.

[pankajdoharey]

Ohh definitely Elon is smart, he developed a space shooter game and published it in a computer magazine at an early age, so clearly he taught himself 6502 assembly, he developed zip2 city search, it had maps using the Navteq GIS database it was a time when google maps were not developed. All of this was written in Java by a single person at the time.

[ActorNightly]

You are very much being a hater.

> Musk is that guy. He bet on EVs just before massive subsidies became available for them and then got lucky as the incumbent companies mostly did nothing.

Execution of an idea is 10000% times harder than actually having an idea. Furthermore, even if you consider just the idea of putting money into something that makes you money, your "logic" of getting lucky can be used to discredit most anyone who predicted anything and made money off of it, saying that they just got lucky. When in reality, that prediction was probably made through a bunch of research and reasoning that nobody else did.

>As for the products? Teslas are some of them worst built cars ever made and Tesla produced vehicles for segments Americans don’t want.

Model Y is literally the best selling car in the world, which is more impressive given the general anti Musk sentiment, especially in more socially progressive countries. You can't honestly think that saying "well all these people want this car, but they are all wrong because the car is horribly built", makes you sound anywhere near coherent.

>Space X meanwhile makes rockets which are a step back from the Shuttle in terms of capability and which will now require 6-8 launches what Apollo could do in 1.

And yet, it still has a shitload of contracts, including a pretty big one from NASA.

>Musk has had an incredible string of luck but makes awful decisions, has no design sense and pretends to be a genius.

And yet, Twitter is still alive and kicking, Space X is doing really good, Tesla is doing good.

The problem with people like you posting your baseless opinions like this is you make it harder to actually criticize people like Musk, because it gives credence to the idea that people/media just want to push a negative narrative against them, and to anyone on the fence, they are more likely to see all the dumb shit he does with a skeptical view, believing that the stories are vastly exaggerated.

[nexoft]

Getting from scratch to new businesses, and the most complicated ones and succeeding is no luck. Rocket science and automotive are very complicated in their own ways, and competing against businesses with 100+ years of IP and experience.... If the Space shuttle and Apollo were so good they would still be in production, the Concord as well. I guess it has something to do with the reliability and % to have a crew survive the launch and also the cost. I kinda respect his legacy more than all those social networks/search engine/marketplace gurus. But I do hate Musk's personality and I'm definitely not a fanboy,but still, respect is due where it's earned.