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> Under Bush illegal immigration was higher than Obama. Understanding Bush and Republicans of the time "pro business" mantra of the era that makes sense, businesses wanted to pay lower wages. Bush helped them out.

I don't see either of the parties in the USA having much difference in ideology about being pro-business, one is just more corrupt about it but both are pretty right-wing in the pro-business ideology. One just tries to pay lip service to the idea of being more socially-conscious but in the business arena it's just that, lip service.

> Obama was in Afghanistan longer than W. All 8 years vs what 6.5 for Bush? War is bipartisan. Who do you vote for if you object to the current wars for example? Who should you of voted for if you objected to any of the previous ones? The majority of the duration of these wars they lacked popular support, the vote to end them wasn't provided as an option.[0]

Completely agree, war is just another business for the USA.

Overall as an outsider the political landscape of the USA is a mess and pretty much undemocratic, two parties cannot ever represent the different interests of 340+ million citizens across a landmass spanning a continent. Since both parties are in cahoots with the military industry it doesn't really matter what citizens want or think about it, there's no other option, both will support it.