[wslh]

> Part of our problem is the way we think. I am a person. I am not a complex adaptive system.

I agree that, in general, we humans, downgrade the importance of external stimulus and interactions with our environment (including other people). My two cents is that this is downplayed where we live in cities and don't move too much, once you move to very distanct places and cultures (and not assuming yours is the best one) more things tick in the brain.

[pas]

it's hard to forget about others in a city though. you have neighbors, traffic, etc. that's why the whole 'cabin in the woods' experience can be sold as a relative luxury nowadays.

that said, based on the status quo we definitely don't spend enough resources on making sure we can peacefully and sustainably live next to others.