[the_gastropod]

Credentials: Lived in NYC for 10+ years

Sirens: valid. But those suckers are usually attached to vehicles

People yelling: not often in my experience. And the usual offender when someone is yelling, it's some doofus in a car yelling at some other doofus in a car.

Loud music: not often in my experience. And the usual offender when there is loud music, it's some doofus playing loud music in their car.

Construction: valid

But the single most frequent / annoying loud sound: car horns. Constantly.

[mlrtime]

I'm not going to argue the point that cars aren't loud they are!

However, in Manhattan the city is still very loud with 0 cars. Meaning in the middle of the night in midtown, not a single car, the city itself hums with a constant noise that is not healthy.

Witnessed this during covid when I didn't see a car for hours on a typically busy midtown avenue, but the city is still very very loud compared to a suburban setting.

So, we get rid of all cars, then what? You still live in a noisy city. No thanks.

Credentials: 5 years in midtown, 15 years downtown Manhattan.

[mattzito]

With all respect, “didn’t see a car for hours on a typically busy midtown avenue”, even during peak covid, is bananas if for no other reason than the ambulances were going almost constantly (ymmv based on where you live).

But I distinctly remember watching the odd car here and there and wondering where they were going.

And things were quieter! There was the background noise of machinery and buses and cars but it was a lot quieter than even holiday Sundays.

Credentials: 14 years in semi-rural Texas, 25 years in Manhattan

[mlrtime]

Living in Texas and Manhattan you should aware that we very good at adapting to our surroundings. The relative noise is not comparable between rural Texas and Manhattan.

I agree the city was quieter during covid, and would be quieter without cars. It's ridiculous to debate otherwise.

But a major is vastly noisier without cars than any normal suburb with the rare car passing by a residential street.

NYC will always be loud, cars are not.

[IG_Semmelweiss]

Noise pollution in big cities, particularly nyc, ranked starting from the worst factoring frequency:

Sirens

Construction

Buses

Semintrucks / public machinery (trash, etc)

Subway

Belligerent people

Lunatics

Inconsiderate people on motorcycles

Cars

Buildings / HVAC

Cars are near the bottom of the list

[mattzito]

I was just pointing out that the idea that one could go for “hours” without seeing a car is essentially impossible in Manhattan, even during Covid.

[bombcar]

It varies by area; I remember staying in Brooklyn with a friend and being a few floors up the traffic noise was minimal (constant), few horns, but it seemed an emergency vehicle went by every few minutes.

Most of what I remember of European cities, too, when anywhere near the denser parts.

Part of "city noise" is dependent where you're living, and how new it is. Close, cramped, older building with people arguing above and below and beside you? Not fun. Newer building with excellent soundproofing? Nowhere near as bad.

[AnthonyMouse]

> Sirens: valid. But those suckers are usually attached to vehicles

But they're attached to emergency vehicles. The fire department is not going to wait for the bus when responding to a fire, so you can't actually get rid of this by installing mass transit, and then its prevalence is proportional to density.

> People yelling: not often in my experience. And the usual offender when someone is yelling, it's some doofus in a car yelling at some other doofus in a car.

> Loud music: not often in my experience. And the usual offender when there is loud music, it's some doofus playing loud music in their car.

If people are usually in cars then the people making noise will usually be in cars. But it's not as if they're going to stop having business disputes or lovers' quarrels or whatever it is this time just because they're on foot.

And whether loud music is a problem depends primarily on who your neighbors are. In a city you'll have a lot of them and you don't get to choose who they are.

> car horns

Ironically this doesn't happen in the suburbs because there are more roads and parking per car, and thereby fewer traffic disputes and no need to summon someone from a building immediately instead of parking and going inside. So you're now equally making the case for cities to have wider roads and more parking.