[mborch]

Here's another reference on this: https://www.yoursoundmatters.com/vinyl-vs-cd-in-the-loudness....

> As explained earlier, due to the physical limitations of vinyl, there are limits as to how loud you can press a record, and because vinyl is “for audiophiles” – there is less incentive for record companies to compromise the quality of vinyl releases. As a result, many vinyl records are mastered differently to the CD release with more dynamic range and at lower volumes.

But I read some place that Radiohead themselves preferred the more compressed sound, perhaps owing to listening in a car rather than a high fidelity setup.

[tekla]

I've seen this trotted around and I think its absolute bullshit. I've asked multiple people in the music business, and they've all told me they use the same masters for CDs and Vinyl.

[butterknife]

Mastering engineer here. I supply less compressed versions for vinyl and would not sign under it if it was the same as CD/streaming. What labels do after the fact is another story...

[crtasm]

That's great to hear (!) - any idea how common this is with other engineers?

[butterknife]

I would like to think that it is quite common. Certainly for guys who provide lacquer/DMM cutting services.

There is an issue with vinyl brokers and certain unnamed plants that advertise "mastering" that consists of running any delivered audio through proprietary software that "fixes" all physically problematic issues that could affect cutting or playback (excessive sibilance, excessive negative stereo correlation etc.). There is minimal listening involved and they can cut almost any audio. All optimised for maximising the factory throughput, not sound quality.

Personally I have a hope that this will become less of an issue in future as vinyl is getting more popular and people little bit more educated.

[JALTU]

I would guess to agree: the "audiophile" is a microscopically small segment of the music market, and music companies, let alone manufacturers, are NOT going to spend extra time money on producing stuff for specialty segments (hence the MoFi fiasco). Marketing is enough! Most so-called audiophiles also are not really into DR or "dynamic sound" or anything but just their audio preferences, whether that's cool/expensive hardware or hanging out on head-fi.

[AlecSchueler]

> the "audiophile" is a microscopically small segment of the music market

A small portion of the market but the portion most willing to spend large amounts of money on music and music related products.

[JALTU]

Guilty as charged, because the emotional return is exponentially high. But we're still microscopic.

[d-lisp]

I have two versions of the same album, one on CD, one on vinyl. They don't sound the same and I prefer the version on vinyl, I am not implying it objectively sounds better, maybe it sounds worse at the wave level, but it sounds better to me, it seems much more "present". Could you teach me what is the reason for this ?

[squarefoot]

Vinyl's dynamic range is way inferior to CD's one, that makes it a natural compressor. Most like vinyl sound because it's compressed as well, albeit not awfully bad like modern digital productions. Many vinyl records made in the 90s were mastered digitally before printing, and audiophiles swear they hear the same magic sound although what they listen to comes from 100% digital material.

> it seems much more "present"

That could be due to some low frequencies that vinyl can't reproduce and are reduced to avoid distortion. Also vinyl's poor crosstalk figures could play a role here.

[ricardobeat]

> and audiophiles swear they hear the same magic sound although what they listen to comes from 100% digital material

Not unlikely, as the signal did get converted back to analog, and the physical media's characteristics influence the mastering even when it's being done digitally.

[WorkerBee28474]

Differences in the sound waves that reach the ear can come from the audio data being written to and retrieved from an imperfect recording medium (vinyl), as well as differenced in frequency responses between the amplifiers or speakers used after the audio is read.

"Presence" is usually associated with high frequency content. Turn up the high frequencies and the music seems more present. Therefore, differences in media/amplifier/speaker high frequency response will make the music seem more or less "present".

[badgersnake]

Stadium Arcadium for example is definitely different on vinyl. The CD version and the ‘audiophile’ 24bit version are both horribly compressed.

[arrowsmith]

Metallica's Death Magnetic is the worst example I know of an album that's been utterly butchered by the loudness war. It is absolutely unlistenable - the compression makes my ears bleed.

And it's a crying shame because in terms of raw songwriting it could have been the best thing they've put out since the Black Album. What a waste of some good riffs.

[hnburnsy]

Famously Rush`s Vapor Trails was also a victim with the band and fans unhappy with the mixing. Luckily a remix was produced...

https://popdose.com/popdose-qa-david-bottrill-on-rushs-vapor...

[pkkm]

There are multiple unofficial fan remasters based on tracks extracted from Guitar Hero, and now a Mastered for iTunes version too. Try these, they sound far better.

[slily]

Yeah, it's mostly wishful thinking. The primary audience for records is not audiophiles, it's collectors who often don't even own a record player putting them up on display. Unless an artist/mastering engineer has a particular fondness for the medium they're not going to put much effort into the "analog" master.

[viburnum]

Now they do but they didn’t used to.