[xkzx]

I make fermented fizzy enzyme drinks at home all the time, no soft drinks anymore. It has to be all the time as it is a perpetual drink. You buy on of those fancy hipster live enzyme drinks, but you never finish it. Just and juice, sugar, jam - whatever what bacteria like and it continues fermentation. At room temperature. Every two days it is ready again, drink it, feed it. If it is too active, put it in a fridge. I try to spread it as people have forgotten this.

[lavos83]

In the Netherlands it's called water and kefir. Good stuff indeed, especially during summer and basically free at the cost tapwater. No plastic packaging either! Those hipster might actually be onto something ;)

[hetspookjee]

Kombucha is another one.

[AYBABTME]

I nearly poisoned myself making kombucha at home, despite careful sanitizing and careful monitoring of pH and temperature. As a result I'm really not fond of casual recommendations to brew kombucha. Seems easy to mess up.

[depressedpanda]

How were you poisoned? What happened to your kombucha?

When I make kombucha I am quite careless in the process, but it always turns out fine.

[dekken_]

Counter anecdote for neutrality, I brew Kombucha and have done for a few years, worst I've done is make vinegar, YMMV

[guappa]

In 20 years a study will tell us how that increases the risk of cancer.

[berkes]

I ferment a lot, and know of only a few dangers: some rare fruits or veggies can produce toxins when fermenting, but non that I can easily buy in a European market. Spices and some herbs can be dangerous too, but the quantities needed for toxin levels that pose a danger, are insane.

Fungi are more dangerous. If something starts growing hair, it's out.

Dairy fermentation is more dangerous ¹, and quite hard, so I avoid that.

Alcohol is obviously a toxin too, and rather common in fermentation ;)

In nearly all cases, I'll trust one of the best fine tuned measurement devices to protect humans from toxins: my taste and nose.

(Q: how do you know the milk is beyond it's expiry date? A: Smell it! Far more reliable than a date printed on some package)

¹https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6356804/

Edit: another thing to be careful with, are kernels, pits, seeds and peels. Peels can often contain lots of sprayed on chemicals that will probably kill your fermenting bacteria. Pits and kernels can contain insane amounts of toxins that we usually won't eat because they are enclosed. But crushing/long fermenting might release them

[throwup238]

> Alcohol is obviously a toxin too, and rather common in fermentation ;)

Also watch out for methanol. Fruit pectin gets fermented into methanol so using pectase is recommended to break it down, especially if one ferments citrus juice.

[ryzvonusef]

America's Test Kitchen had a very recent video on Kombucha, and in one portion[1], after showing the viewers the recipe and tools they used, show us how they gave their colleagues the exact same setup but ended up with varied results.

If people whose day job IS testing food recipes, all end up with different results from the master recipe made by their colleague, then it indicates certain external factors need to be controlled to ensure consistency.

The factor they narrowed down to, was consistency of temperature, and the solution they offered was to suggest a temperature-controlled box to ensure best results.

[1]: https://youtu.be/_e9ejoiLNlo?t=558

[RamblingCTO]

Can you elaborate, what happened and how did you notice? I also do Kombucha weekly.

[AYBABTME]

By poisoned I mean food poisoning. Not sure what happened in the batch I made but drinking the brew gave me cold sweats and fever for two days and I emptied my bowels multiple times. So I stopped there. I still love the flavor, and I love most fermented food.

[bongodongobob]

I would bet money it was something else. Fermentation usually does a good job of keeping bad fungi out. If you were careful with sanitation, it was something else like bad leftovers or something. Also, food poisoning usually takes > 24-48 hours to kick in. So if you drank it and got sick that day, it was something you ate the day or two before.

[RamblingCTO]

Oh okay got it, thanks! I also get that quite a few times, but I'm certain it's more food-related, as on those days I didn't drink the booch. But now I know what to look out for, thanks!

[bongodongobob]

Poisoned from what?

[lp4vn]

Explain this story better, please.

[ametrau]

Kombucha is a con.

[kristiandupont]

>fizzy enzyme drinks

Do you mean kombucha? Kefir?

[ab71e5]

One that's very easy to make is bread kvass : basically just toasted bread, sugar and some yeast, either sourdough starter or regular bread yeast. It kinda tastes like a weak wheat beer. I assume with some hops it would taste even more like beer.

[HeyLaughingBoy]

I love ginger and one easy one is ginger ale. Simply boiled ginger with sugar and after it cools add baker's yeast, bottle and let it ferment a few days. I started out using wine yeasts, but after it occurred to me that it was only going to ferment for 2-3 days (after that the yeast eats all the sugar and you lose a lot of the flavor) so I just started using whatever baking yeast I had on hand.

Deliciously alcoholic.

[xkzx]

No, I mean enzyme drink. They are called differently all over the place. They are similar to kombucha, just without all that disgusting shroom in a jar thing.

[crubier]

Wait until you learn where the enzymes come from

[tomek_ycomb]

No, kvass and other 'fizzy drinks' are not kombucha

They get their fermentation from the air, ferment much lower, and do not rely on the skoby to keep it all working. On some level there is similarities, but its not the same

[crubier]

It's still "shroom in a jar". Kvass is made with yeast, which are fungi.

[imp0cat]

Interesting! How can you tell it's too active? It gets bubbly?

[throwaway290]

> whatever what bacteria like

How do you know what it likes?

[xkzx]

Same thing as humans like, sugar.