[LeFantome]

Apple does not accumulate a trail of old hardware. They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. Their “tail” is always about the same length.

I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days. It “just works”. So, a “long tail” of hardware is no excuse anyway.

Apple is in the middle off a platform transition from Intel to their own silicon. Some of these problems could be a de-emphasis on the Intel experience. Some of it though seems to be lees quality and more philosophy ( such as the claim it actively deleted files from root ).

If you are going to play in the Apple garden, you have to play the way they want you to.

[Rinzler89]

>They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years.

And people give Microsoft shit for not supporting Windows 10 more than 10 years when Apple only does 5.

>I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days

That's incredibly brave (or foolish) to have no fear of upgrading Arch, considering Arch does indeed break, it's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.

Also had EndeavourOS for a while when I attempted to switch to Linux and, gave up on it when an update left me without sound. It's a great "batteries included" Arch distro, but can't tolerate such risks on a daily driver machine that I need it to work 100% of the time, every time.

For daily driving without update anxiety I'd go for something boring like Ubuntu/Debian based OSs, Fedora if you want more up-date, or even OpenSUSE if you want a sane rolling distro, but I'd stay away from Arch if you want your computer to just-work(TM) and don't wanna be your own part-time sys-admin.

[semi-extrinsic]

Arch breaks extremely infrequently these days. I run it on >10 machines at work and home, some even in internal prod.

[Rinzler89]

How much are you willing to vouch for Arch? Will you give me $10k next time my Arch breaks at update?

[semi-extrinsic]

I'm not taking any bets on how you setup and maintain your particular Arch. Partial upgrades are unsupported etc. You can definitely shoot yourself in the foot with Arch, but after a while it becomes easy not to.

[redeeman]

i'll bite and take the action.. of course with an additional stipulation that you wield your wallet to all those daily driving osx that gets hit with this :)

[pxeger1]

To be fair, with Arch, the more often you upgrade the less you have to fear - the migrations around breaking changes are normally pretty good.

[Rinzler89]

> the more often you upgrade the less you have to fear

Why? If an update is broken, then it will break your shit when you update to it no matter from where the starting point was. The destination is still a broken system.

[raydev]

> They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years.

It's officially considered "vintage" 5 years after it is last sold, but that doesn't mean it won't receive OS updates. Apple considers hardware to be obsolete 7 years after sale ends, but is still likely to receive security updates for a while longer.

Their phones enjoy an even longer support window than their desktops/laptops if you consider security updates, the iPhone 5s (2013) just received a security update last year.

[grodriguez100]

> Some of these problems could be a de-emphasis on the Intel experience.

Unlikely since several of the issues seem to happen only on Apple Silicon.