[FrustratedMonky]

That is the problem with goal moving, it is the selective forgetting of what came before, thus making the present time seem new.

You think I'm making up swaths of people that used to think animals weren't conscious? That couldn't feel pain?

Time Line: ok, I might have date wrong, pre-2000 animals considered not conscious, many to not experience pain. By 2021-2022 there were enough people changing their mind that laws were being changed. It's been slowly shifting over a time range from 2000-2020.

Not sure Mid 2000-2020, versus 2022 really invalidates any of my argument.

https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/40/6/847/187565 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mila.12498 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9704368/

[JohnKemeny]

Your first reference even states that people considered dogs conscious in 1850.

"One representative inventory included imagination, memory, homesickness, self-consciousness, joy, rage, terror, compassion, envy, cruelty, fidelity, and attachment. (See Thompson 1851]"