[safety1st]

I'm skeptical that there's anything especially unhealthy about sitting at a desk even for long periods of time. What's more plausible to me is that back pain comes from having a weak back and it's more about what you're not doing, which is training your back muscles. Over the course of about a year, weight lifting eliminated a range of aches and pains I'd developed throughout adulthood, including back, wrist and knee pain. For the back it's all about deadlifts. In hindsight it seems obvious, all the muscles supporting my spine are visibly larger and demonstrably more powerful, carrying my body around is a much easier job for them now. Sinking into a padded chair after a few big lifts also feels fantastic and now feels like a perk of my job lol

[Notatheist]

>I'm skeptical that there's anything especially unhealthy about sitting at a desk even for long periods of time. What's more plausible to me is that back pain comes from having a weak back

I figure few habits will give you a weaker back than sitting at a desk for longer periods of time.

[helboi4]

I dunno. I never had chronic back or neck pain until I started working office jobs. When I was at university, I spent periods sitting at desks, but was never strapped to one for 8 hour shifts. I would sit down at a desk for max 4 hours at a time apart from during extreme crunch periods, and would spend the rest of my day walking around, lounging and chilling in different positions, excercising, etc. As soon as I started working at an office it became noticably harder to reach an over-10k step count daily, and even though I continued going to the gym and doing heavy back days, my left trap has become completely hardened up, and I've occasionally had lower back pain too during stressful times. I'm totally unable to train upper traps because they are literally like bricks. When I have a weekend where I walk and lounge a lot, or am off sick, or go on holiday, my traps feel significantly better and my workouts are better. It's a lifestyle where you are unnaturally in one position for too long that causes this.

[anentropic]

Yeah I think it's exactly this.

A lot of people end up thinking it's about ergonomic chairs. An un-ergonomic chair will make things bad pretty quick, but supportive ergonomic chairs are part of the long term problem IMHO.

And deadlifts are not the only solution. I started out using just a backless stool and it helped a bit (can't slouch!), but what really sorted me out was using the "lumbar machine" at the gym for a couple of years. When Covid came along I couldn't go any more so I started doing "the plank" at home, that plus the "side plank" and some push ups have kept me going the last four years. And it's totally free and I can do them basically anywhere e.g. on holiday.

[kqr]

> A lot of people end up thinking it's about ergonomic chairs. An un-ergonomic chair will make things bad pretty quick

I'm still fairly young so I probably shouldn't be so quick to say – maybe I'll have to eat my hat in the next decade or two – but I feel like this is also one of those "it's not the thing but how you use it" type situations. I have always used un-ergonomic fairly spartan wood chairs and stools without problem.

What I do, that I don't see everyone else do, is adjust my position a lot. Since I find the chair slightly uncomfortable, I have like a million different positions I can sit in and I rotate through them naturally throughout the day. I haven't seen any science on it but it would make sense that variety helps prevent damage caused by prolonged exposure to one position.

[safety1st]

That might help to some degree, but I bet actually exercising your back muscles regularly will have a larger effect.

I mean I'm sure of it. It seems like common sense we've forgotten. Stress the muscles, eat a generous amount of protein, they will grow and get stronger. Do stuff that doesn't stress them as much, they will stay weak and that will lead to complications.

Similar to how the discussion around obesity has become so complicated, in a country where the #1 cause of death is heart disease. It is not complicated, obesity leads to heart disease, to reduce your risk, you must become less obese. Yet we insist on complicating the topic.