[pfannkuchen]

Astrology is misunderstood today IMO.

Cycles exist on Earth. Cycles exist in astral bodies. If an astral cycle aligns with some earth cycle, you can legitimately use the astral cycle to track the earth cycle. There is nothing wrong with doing this, it’s a useful tool.

The problem came when people confused correlation with causation. There’s also some spurious correlations used as well as some scale extrapolation issues.

But what was probably the root mechanism is sound. That is why ancients seem so weirdly obsessed with the stars, it actually works in some cases (non causally of course).

[mistermann]

Does human belief play any role in causality?

Let's say for example that Bill incorrectly believes his wife and his friend Steve are having an affair and he kills them both in a fit of rage - did Bill's belief play any role in the causality underlying the death of the two humans?