[bboygravity]

I find it mind blowing that:

1. Samsung is able to sell phones like that legally. 2. People are not in jail. 3. Governments somehow think it's ok that random companies can see everything their citizens do online. National security risks maybe? Trade secret issues?

It's almost suspicious to the point where I would start thinking those third party spy companies are possibly (US/5 eyes) government run?

[croes]

They don't care as long they are not Chinese.

[BLKNSLVR]

Like this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-17/coalition-steps-up-ca...

[red-iron-pine]

> as long as they are South Korean

[out-of-ideas]

well websites ad-tech have been very able to track mouse movement/location, characters pressed (but not submitted) for 15 years at least; people are fine with this fact too (even if its 1 or 2 monopolies that phone home - and then share data lol)

android's have done similar for a very long time; customers have known about it, and turn a blind eye cuz its a new-shiney

[bboygravity]

Yes, but this "makes sense" considering that data is being sent to US companies that are basically integral part of the NSA by now.

So it makes sense from a US-gov perspective.

My point was that the Samsung spyware is sending data about (for example) US users to non-US companies and government (South Korea). I guess they're also integral part of the NSA by now. I have no other explanation :P

[cyanydeez]

capitalist democracy suverloence means getting around those pesky nonspying laws by just buying free market privacy invasion data.

[Terretta]

> mind blowing

“Mind blowing” is too strong a word when every thread about Apple on HN is demanding the iPhone be opened up to the same, taking away non-tech people’s choice to buy a bloat free and privacy defaulted device designed to stay that way even if people more technically savvy try to hook in.

It’s a fine line, of course, since the same non-tech people love IAP and ad-supported, as shown by the folks opting into ads on Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon Prime decades after similarly opting into ads on paid cable. So how to let users have ad-tech supported apps, without ending up like the Android ecosystem?

> legally … not in jail

Apple’s approach was a curated ecosystem, and the level of hate for it tells you app makers aren’t worried they should be in jail, they’re worried iOS users have that sweet sweet “wallet share”. HN’s EU DMA threads tell you plenty voices don’t just want what they do legal, they want it illegal to slow their roll.

PS. A lot of big data and big analytics cross pollinates with the US government. Three letter agencies even do VC deals.

[hparadiz]

Meanwhile I'm over here on a rooted android phone with no pre installed anything and a custom build of chromium that let's me have ublock origin on my phone. And RCS still works cause I guess they can't detect my old version of magisk.

[Terretta]

I run u-block origin on my iPhone with Kagi Orion. What's your point?

[hparadiz]

If it's not open source and chromium based why even bring it up?