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by astahlx 819 days ago
We are leaving the conditions that work for humans and other animals. 3 billion climate refugees in the next 30 years. We must slow down the climate catastrophe now.
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You're not helping the situation by making these hyperbolic statements that can be easily be argued against and muddy the dialog.
There were three sentences. Which one exactly was hyperbolic?

- "We are leaving the conditions that work for humans and other animals". We're outside the envelope (the historical range) of biotic and abiotic conditions that defined our species' existence on earth for the duration of our time as a species. We are seeing climate extremes never before experienced by the genus homo, let alone homo sapiens. This is a matter of climatic record, absolutely no controversy here.

- "3 billion climate refugees in the next 30 years"? That's a future prediction so obviously we can't confirm or deny it. We've "only" seen 100s of millions globally displaced already from small-scale recent collapses. But those have other causal factor in addition to climate. Still, sea level keeps rising. Water extraction continues sinking coastal water tables into brackish water. Extreme storms happen more and more frequently. Most people on earth live near the ocean. Totaled property damage is more and more common. 3 billion people displaced in 30 years is plausible given the recent trends. It might be less if we're lucky.

- "We must slow down the climate catastrophe now." Given the ongoing catastrophe, I fail to see any hyperbole in this statement.

How is this hyperbole? There’s a wall being touted at the southern border of America for chrissake, the country that has a statue engraved on it that it takes in refugees. Every temperate climate western country has a border “crisis” right now.
This statement seems very naive and hyperbolic, like “chicken little”. The people crossing the southern border of the US are economic migrants that are not fleeing “climate change” that is preposterous. There are more military aged males relocating due to criminals situations per day than the amount people coming to the US because of a “hole in the ozone layer” in one year. People that think this way, I think are consuming way too much leftist media and are not thinking critically.
What the living fuck are you going on about? You can’t even write a complete sentence.
Well, you’re just throwing insults like a child but the fact is that what you said is completely hyperbolic and irrational. What I wrote is clear enough. The people crossing the border are not doing so because they are scared of climate, you sound ridiculous for asserting that.
That has nothing to do with climate change. They aren't abandoning their homeland because its hot. They're doing it because they can get more money elsewhere.
No one said it was because “it’s hot”. It’s not like they go to cool off. But climate change changes everything. It may kill off a tourist economy they relied on. It may reduce crop yield, making food too expensive, etc. It may increase disease. Absolutely climate has a huge impact.
We should really give the statue back. It's an embarrassment how we explicitly reject its ideals.
What's hyperbolic? The fact is no one knows how bad it'll be and how soon. Does that mean no statement can be made about the future? We're already seeing problems around water sourcing. I don't see how any of OPs statements are a stretch.

Every time I see someone make a statement about the future negative affects of climate change inevitably someone comes around to say that's not helping. It reads like a shade of denialism. How can you fix a problem without reviewing the consequences? I've yet to hear these same commenters suggest what would help.

What you will see is the fingerprint of trolling conservative bots, talking about “leftist” this, “woke” that. Same as Twitter. With nothing to back anything up because they’re just shills.
Where is one shred of evidence of any of this? Humans adapt. It’s this kind of thing why you have 20-year-olds that think we’ll be dead in 5 years. It’s ridiculous. The same people that make this argument also try to tell us that the 10 million people that have illegally crossed into the US have some because of climate change.
Go outside.
No, no, every possible question must be answered by an automated plagiarism machine running on GPUs which need multiple kilowatts to operate. It's called progress, you see.
Good thing you won't be around in 30 years to eat your hat.