[javajosh]

It seems highly unlikely that the macos people don't test anything on the jvm during acceptance. It's even more suspicious that this change didn't happen during the public beta. Is it possible that Apple is firing a warning shot at Java? Even as a huge fan of Hanlon's razor, this seems like such an enormous oversight its hard for me to ascribe it to incompetence.

[flohofwoe]

> it seems highly unlikely that the macos people don't test anything on the jvm during acceptance.

I would be surprised if they do to be honest (Apple doesn't even catch obvious bugs in the new macOS settings panel, which really makes me wonder if there is a software QA process at all). For 3rd party apps they seem to rely on the software vendors to holler if a macOS update breaks their app. That's why the macOS prerelease versions exist. But since the bug wasn't present in the prerelease, affected vendors couldn't catch it. It's still a fuckup in Apple release process of course (which tbh also isn't surprising).

[wyclif]

What is the bug in the new System Settings panel?

[flohofwoe]

I'm stumbling over a couple of annoying problems when opening the DNS server subpanel via search (because without search it's pretty much impossible to find that panel, but that's a separate issue).

One is that occasionally there's an error popup "Extension process Network(4433) exited." just when clicking on the 'DNS servers' search result.

The other is that when accidentally hitting "Enter" after entering a new DNS server address the entire DNS Server subpanel will close even though I want to enter a second address (which sucks from a user perspective, but might even be consistent with the UX guidelines, but OTH I would expect pressing Enter on a text input box would not close the UI panel which contains the text input box, but maybe that's just me). But then clicking on the previous search result 'DNS servers' to open the DNS servers panel again, the click does nothing this time.

One has to clear the search box, enter the search term again, perform a new search, and then click the search result 'DNS servers' again to get the subpanel for entering DNS server addresses.

I guess the search is also broken like this for other subpanels, but changing the DNS servers is about the only situation where I'm using the search box.

In the old settings panel all that worked as expected (and apart from that, everything also was a lot snappier, somehow Apple engineers managed to create simple Settings window that suffers from performance problems, but again, different issue).

[overstay8930]

No idea what OP if referring to but I could pretty consistently cause Settings to soft lock for a few months by loading a configuration profile while the settings window was open, just small things like that are basically everywhere in macOS.

Don't even get me started on Screen Time bugs...

[bzzzt]

It's not a problem that breaks all JVM based software instantly. So maybe Apple tests but not long enough to trigger this issue.

I really don't know what Apple would be 'warning' against. Don't use Java? There are tens of thousands of business and development tools depending on the JVM. Blocking Java would diminish the value of macOS tremendously and doing so without warning would open Apple up to lots of lawsuits.

[javajosh]

>It's not a problem that breaks all JVM based software instantly.

Do you know how long it takes to reproduce? The OP was light on details here. I assume that a memory access issue with the JIT would pop up pretty quickly, though.

[bzzzt]

I'm running an Eclipse development environment that's regularly compiling a huge codebase. Had 2 crashes this week after updating so less than once a day. That's assuming it isn't an Eclipse bug ;)

[rsaddey]

Just being curious: With or without having created a hs_err_pid<pid here>.log? Why do I ask: Ten days now on 14.4. and cannot see any change in Eclipse and Tomcat behaviour.

[rsaddey]

And yes, I did just now. I had to work for 10 hours to let Eclipse crash... No hs_err. Just the macos problem report popping up.