[npalli]

  An issue introduced by macOS 14.4, which causes Java process to terminate unexpectedly, is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of JDK 22

If this affects so many versions of Java and nobody notices, is anyone even using Java on macOS?

[semiquaver]

Plenty of people develop for java on macs. The issue is that per the article this behavior was not present in the early access macOS builds, which means something changed between beta and release.

[latchkey]

> is anyone even using Java on macOS?

IntelliJ IDEA, the product itself, is JVM based.

[threeseed]

Actually everything from Jetbrains does.

So Pycharm, Rustrover etc.

[latchkey]

All of those are effectively language specific plugins of the base IDE platform, which is why I didn't list them individually.

[bombcar]

Minecraft runs on various Javas.

And there's a known issue with an interaction between minecraft, Java, and the video drivers that crashes out and it can be traced back all the way to here: https://github.com/glfw/glfw/issues/1997

It's not fixed.

[bzzzt]

It's not terminating directly. I've seen a few IDE crashes this week, less than one per day, but since there's no log there's no easy way to determine it's related to a macOS change.

[Mustachio]

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6802

The JetBrains team has already figured it out as well.

[vips7L]

Reading the comments from David Wartell in that thread is enough internet for me today. This guy is CTO of some company and is just harassing the thread for a fix ETA without understanding the problem at all.

[LgWoodenBadger]

IntelliJ did this twice to me on Thursday and there was a crash log both times. I only reported one to Apple.

Did you check the Console app for crash reports?

[lanna]

Maybe not a lot of macOS devs use Java, but a lot of Java devs use macOS

[seanalltogether]

Also, if you're a mobile developer you likely have a Mac, and if you're a mobile dev that doesn't target iOS exclusively, then you run java.

[re-thc]

If you use a Jetbrains IDE you already use Java e.g. Webstorm and Pycharm.

[comonoid]

It broke since recent MacOS 14.4, even at 14.4 betas it worked.

[karmakaze]

I'm running RubyMine on 14.3.1 all the time and it's fine. Should I hold off updating to 14.4 until the dust has settled?

[merb]

You should I had some Rider and IntelliJ crashes. The crash does not happen often tough, but if your in the middle of writing code it can get you out of the flow.

[CharlesW]

For one, it doesn't affect all versions of Java. Java 20 (an LTS release) and 21, for example, don't have this problem.

[pritambarhate]

JDK 21 is LTS not JDK 20.

https://www.oracle.com/in/java/technologies/downloads/

[grodriguez100]

The article says that the issue “is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of JDK 22” now.

[bremac]

Per the bug report, all versions since Java 8 are affected.

[CharlesW]

> Affected Version: 8,11,17,21,22

This has changed (they added 21) since I posted the comment above, so it looks like they’re still getting a handle on it.

[nurettin]

Sonoma has been out for only one week!

[stalfosknight]

Sonoma became generally available September 26, 2023.

[grodriguez100]

However 14.4 was released days ago (March 7).

[stalfosknight]

The .4 is not what makes it Sonoma. The 14 is.

[grodriguez100]

Yes, I know.