[mozempthrowaway]

I’ve been on hiring committees at Mozilla where being a white male hurts the candidate.

The committee wants a racial minority, LQBTQIA+, etc. The best white males can do is claim to be neurodivergent. That one lets them get passed the filters. But I’ve been part of discussions where the committee explicitly said they were disappointed the best candidate didn’t help with diversity and thus we passed.

[seanmcdirmid]

That would be really illegal. But unfortunately, discrimination one way or the other often goes unpunished even if there are laws against it.

[mozempthrowaway]

It was really illegal. But what are you going to do? You can report your employer but once your culture has gotten to the point Mozilla’s has - where you can openly say these things, your problem isn’t one person. And your employer has a ton of ways to retaliate, then you have to prove that.

Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change.

We also have MRGs - Mozillian Resource Groups - where you can only join if you’re black, or gay, or <insert group>. That’s pretty blatantly illegal, too. Doesn’t stop it from happening.

[Larrikin]

Your entire account exist to disparage Mozilla. If your stories are true you seem to exist at the company to take a pay check and don't actually have any moral qualms about what they do as long as they pay you. If you actually do work there and want change then why don't you try to make change instead of anonymously posting?

[mozempthrowaway]

Did you read my post that you’re replying to?

> Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change.

It’s not about having moral qualms or not. The company doesn’t want to change, at least not on its own. So if the ship is sinking, yeah I’ll keep my few hundred K + benies on its way down.

If anything the most change I can make is to keep working here and exposing all of the BS. Maybe enough of an uproar from the users will force them to change. Maybe if enough people who use FF see this and stop using it, they’ll be forced to change? It’s funny, we have an internal slack channel (#cccc to prove I work here) for dealing with external comms. Those in charge know a lot of our users are on HN, but they refer to people on this site as morons and it’s part of the playbook to avoid HN. Some are trying to change the opinion of HN internally.

I can’t tell you what will come of my posting here but in the meantime I’m going to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

[dblohm7]

Don't get me started talking about #cccc

[olah_1]

Goals to increase diversity are not illegal. And if an HR person were to hire a non-diverse person, it would be actively going against the company goals. So why would they ever do that?

But how do you avoid hiring a non-diverse person? What if the hiring manager likes them? Simple, just don’t even give them a screening at all. “Not a culture fit”

[seanmcdirmid]

No that’s definitely illegal. They can’t discriminate on race/gender period. So what they do instead is just not hire anyone when the best candidate is not diverse enough, but this is also illegal as well, but super hard to prove.

[syndicatedjelly]

Choosing not to hire someone based on the color of their skin is 100% illegal, as well as morally fucked up.