[jchw]

As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests?search=w...

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/?search=wp-curso...

Nothing on Mutter either:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/?search=wp-cu...

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests?searc...

It looks like the old GTK mailing lists were moved to Discourse at: https://discourse.gnome.org - so I tried searching wp-cursor-shape:

https://discourse.gnome.org/search?expanded=true&q=wp-cursor...

Maybe it can be found under other terms of course, but all I'm saying is, before picking up the pitchforks, maybe it'd be worth asking if they'd just accept an MR. Yes, I know many (myself included) are not thrilled with GNOME's approach to Wayland, but it's not going to be any more productive to just assume bad faith, at some point you just gotta push forward.

[PennRobotics]

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3276 ?

[jchw]

Gah, everyone uses different nomenclature when referring to Wayland protocols. Here's an MR for GTK:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/6212

No negative signals for either Mutter or GTK here, but no strong positive signals either. Let's make sure we add our thumbs up, at least.

[hulitu]

> As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR.

This is just because people do not use Wayland. But, like in the case of SystemD, it seems to be pushed behind their backs.

[jchw]

(I am using Wayland right now while posting this. Also, there was an MR for GTK4 for months, as it turns out.)

[doublepg23]

I disagree.

If GNOME does anything I personally don’t like it’s usually the result of a grand conspiracy by Red Hat to make the Linux desktop worse, increasing their consulting profits. (/s)

[DaSHacka]

> grand conspiracy by Red Hat to make the Linux desktop worse, increasing their consulting profits. (/s)

I must admit, I have wondered about the plausibility of this in the past. It seems like ironically, making a problem-free Linux would be a conflict of interest to Redhat, which makes more money the more problems it has.

Is there any particular reason you think it couldn't be the case? I could definitely see it within the realm of possibility, especially since they maintain a huge chunk of the ecosystem nowadays (Fedora/RHEL, GNOME, LibInput, Kernel development, NetworkManager, Pulseaudio/Pipewire, Systemd, Wayland, and probably even more in the future.)

[panick21_]

Because just factually Red Hat isn't working on many of these things alone. Most of these project have huge interest from many parties. And all those parties work daily with Red Hat and somehow the conspiracy remains undetected. The idea tat Red Hat corporate overlords can easily hurd the Gnome developers just isn't how the project is set up.

Many of the contributes to these project, even when being employed by Red Hat don't always do this as their primary job, many do it because they want to. It just so happens many people that love the linux ecosystem and linux itself work at Red Hat.

Other then that, many project that are very unifying and don't create much 'conflict' are also lead or worked on by Red Hat people. Pipewire for example has been the opposite of 'conflict' for the most part. LVFS is another good example. Flatpak/Flathub are another great example (Maybe Ubuntu is the evil agent of chaos). Systemd is also almost universally adopted by ever major distro even if it created much conflict.

Somehow people can't decide if Red Had is an evil dictator wanting to control everything or if they are deliberately creating 'conflict' so nobody is in control.

The simple reality is, there are a huge amount of people with incredibly different opinions in the Linux space. Even different people employed by Red Hat also don't always agree with each other. So who is really the true Red Hat conspiracy agent?

Difference on opinion is fine as long as people work on their own stuff, but when it comes to unification, like Wayland protocols it just gets really hard. The reason there is KDE and Gnome is because of fundamental disagreements about goals and that will be reflected in how they think wayland properties should be installed.

P.S:

> making a problem-free Linux would be a conflict of interest to Redhat, which makes more money the more problems it has.

What is your actual evidence for this statement? If that was true, why are they working on all those projects. Objectively things like Pipewire, LVFS, Flatpak, Systemd have been major improvements to the ecosystem.